cause of a playable pull/hook
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Erik_K
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I have an out-to-in path that I simply can't get rid of. The only way I can play golf (with this path) is to hit the ball with a slightly open face (granted the face, in my case, may be open at other parts of the swing and that may be one cause of the out to in path).
When things really go bad, is with I try to fix the face with twistaway, but the path remains out to in. I can easily send the ball 2.5 fairways to the left.
So I would check:
Grip (too strong perhaps?)
Face open at BS, top, and DS?
Club path - are you coming from the inside too much?
You mentioned a pull hook. This could be path that is out to in and a face that is closed to path. Maybe the only thing you need to fix is the path - perhaps swing out to the right just a touch and see what happens.
When things really go bad, is with I try to fix the face with twistaway, but the path remains out to in. I can easily send the ball 2.5 fairways to the left.
So I would check:
Grip (too strong perhaps?)
Face open at BS, top, and DS?
Club path - are you coming from the inside too much?
You mentioned a pull hook. This could be path that is out to in and a face that is closed to path. Maybe the only thing you need to fix is the path - perhaps swing out to the right just a touch and see what happens.
Erik - We've swapped several posts on this problem this summer as I have shared the same problem. I will say that for me the changes described in the release thread have now virtually eliminated this path problem for me. The high spinny cuts are gone. Now I think about hands/clubhead moving away from target at top and a sweep release feel and a "flick" release, and if I think about moving the hands/clbuhead a little away from the target line too much at the start of the downswing I can even hit some ugly push hooks. It makes sense reading that thread that some people who have paths a bit too out-to-in are directing their hands and clubhead too directly at ball from the top. Have you played around with this yet?
Erik_K
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I have not messed around with the new release yet because I don't know what Mike and Brian are talking about. Granted I only watched Mike's videos once or twice and maybe several views are needed to fully grasp the concepts.
It may be that my start down move (start of the release, say) is the culprit. I don't know what they mean by the hands move 'away from the target.' A picture may be helpful, because it is easy to think one is implementing their ideas, when in fact one isn't.
At the last Tour stop, Brian may have mentioned this hands away from target concept to me, or something similar, but I can't be sure. I already have a sweep release - if the new release idea is simply stating that it's OK to be wide on the DS and you don't need a ton of forward lean, etc I am already at that point. I have wondered if my sweep release was the cause of me standing up in DS.
Of course you can see just how confused I am. I want to say my issue is grounded in something more fundamental - a bad pivot or weight shift. I have a move that simply isn't very rotary and as result I get on to my toes on the downswing.
erik
It may be that my start down move (start of the release, say) is the culprit. I don't know what they mean by the hands move 'away from the target.' A picture may be helpful, because it is easy to think one is implementing their ideas, when in fact one isn't.
At the last Tour stop, Brian may have mentioned this hands away from target concept to me, or something similar, but I can't be sure. I already have a sweep release - if the new release idea is simply stating that it's OK to be wide on the DS and you don't need a ton of forward lean, etc I am already at that point. I have wondered if my sweep release was the cause of me standing up in DS.
Of course you can see just how confused I am. I want to say my issue is grounded in something more fundamental - a bad pivot or weight shift. I have a move that simply isn't very rotary and as result I get on to my toes on the downswing.
erik
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Jim Kobylinski
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Erik, why don't you just aim right and play a pull like Snead did?
Jim-
Am I right that's sort of what you decided to do? I played around with that as an answer to my issue and struggled some as no matter how much I tried to play that pull I always managed to pull it left a little more. Weird?
Erik- watching that above view on Palmer in that thread gave me the sense of what moving the hands to 4 o'clock, club to 5 o'clock as described by lindsey, dbl, and Jeremy in the recent pages of that thread. No way to swing out-to-in doing that. When you startbhitting low push hooks you've got too much Tabasco in the sauce.
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Erik_K
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Well now I may be even more confused as I was told to try to look right and play a block shot. At least I am coming from the inside and if the face is a touch closed to the path the ball should draw. One way to go with this procedure, I guess, is to align myself to the left and sort of block it down the middle.
THe other way to go is play a pull shot as you suggested.
Erik_K
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I think you are assuming a right handed golfer with the pin at the 9 o'clock position. I can see where the hands go at 4 o'clock but I don't understand the 'club moving to 5 o'clock' statement. Is the club rotating down (again the perspective is looking down at the golfer) to the 5 o'clock position. That is there is some forearm rotation?
Erik
Jim Kobylinski
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I think i put that up at some point but i don't have that issue anymore. I tend to play a small draw these days
Jim Kobylinski
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you could do that too, but if you have such a desire to come over it a bit why try to force the inside/out push draw?
Kevin Shields
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Poor bcoak, his thread got totally jacked
bcoak
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Poor bcoak, his thread got totally jacked
yup. So, back to the question. What causes it? Swing too far right with square face to target line?
Jim Kobylinski
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Back to the original question:
If you are a better player, generally it's from a too inside/out path and/or excessively down with what you think is a square face but is very closed to the true path.
If you are a better player, generally it's from a too inside/out path and/or excessively down with what you think is a square face but is very closed to the true path.
cmartingolf
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Here's a feel that has helped me when I get the hooks. I had a phone lesson from BManz at the Club Pro a couple of years ago after suffering the pull hooks.
1. I knew my path was inside out
2. I knew my club face was face was closed to the path.
3. I knew my right elbow was WAY to "pitchy" after the transition.
So...I try and feel like my right elbow never gets below my left elbow during the downswing.
What does that do for me?
It helps my path keep from getting to inside out. I can get the ground forces cranking and the club's mass gets stuck, so if I feel like the right elbow never gets below the left, I'm wider on the downswing and more likely to swing less out to the right.
Anyway, 2 cents for ya
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