Charles Howell III leaving Leadbetter

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jpvegas1

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A little blurb I just came across.

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MOVING ON:mad: Charles Howell III has changed swing coaches, ending a relationship with David Leadbetter that began when he was 12.

Howell now is working with Bryan Mogg, whose clients include Bart Bryant and Brad Faxon.

"It was time for a change," Howell said. "I had been with David a long time. This is another person looking at my golf game. I'm working on the same stuff, but it's packaged differently."

Howell said it was difficult to leave Leadbetter, and that they spoke over the weekend.

"Our relationship has not changed," he said. "We're still friends."

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Anybody know anything about Bryan Mogg?

Will this change help his game or is this a case of you can't fire the player, so you fire the coach or caddie?
 
Erik_K

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Mogg is on the the golf channel every now and then, and I've never really heard him say anything that came across as a revelation. Then, again, I've never taken a lesson from the guy.
 
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ready2eat

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Mogg is a former Leadbetter instructor. Leadbetter suggested he move on as a natural progression in his teaching career (at least that's the story that many people were told).

I've taken many lessons in the past, ending right around the time I found TGM. I asked about the right hand bent/frozen through impact until follow through and he didn't like that. Believes in double wrist cock, and thinks that you better be careful if you think that the right wrist bends back upon itself ("it will f... you up.")


He's well liked.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Everyone on Tour loves David Toms. They really love his swing too. If he started teaching tomorrow he would be booked solid—PGA Tour players only—for months.

Got it?

Mogg is probably a good guy, and he worked for Leadbetter. So the guys he knew from the Tour and from Lead will give him a try. And unless you say something really goofy, it is hard to mess up a tour caliber player with, basically, the same regurgitated pop-instruction that most of them know verbatim.
 
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Ryan Smither

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I watched Howell hit balls on the range after his round at Bay Hill on Saturday...he had quite a contingency surrounding him...must have been this guy
 
bcoak

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Never quitte gotten the appeal of CH III. Announcers always play him up like the second coming. Never liked his swing and not much of a short game, esp. putting.
 
birdie_man

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I like his swing......I really like his swing actually.....

I think he was a pretty good ballstriker when he came out on tour....that's prolly why there was hype.....#1 in Ballstriking stat on tour in 2001 I think.

Small guy...lots of Lag....hits it long, etc....only one win though. And his stats have gotten worse since 2001.
 
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Agent99

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quote:Originally posted by birdie_man

I like his swing......I really like his swing actually.....

I think he was a pretty good ballstriker when he came out on tour....that's prolly why there was hype.....#1 in Ballstriking stat on tour in 2001 I think.

Small guy...lots of Lag....hits it long, etc....only one win though. And his stats have gotten worse since 2001.
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After watching him shoot a 9 on the 11th today, maybe he should get Brian to give him a few tips?? Or should he go back to Leadbetter?
 
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hue

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quote:
Or should he go back to Leadbetter?
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Not a good idea. Leadbetter has a talent for getting hold of good players and making them worse. I was watching Els and for the first time ever I don't like his swing. Has anyone else noticed that his once natural motion is looking contrived and iffy? He is doing some kind of iffy move at the top that does not make the club look right . I can't work out what it is but it looks wrong. It takes real talent to take a silk purse like Els and make them look like a pig's ear.
 
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Agent99

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quote:Originally posted by hue

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Or should he go back to Leadbetter?
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Not a good idea. Leadbetter has a talent for getting hold of good players and making them worse. I was watching Els and for the first time ever I don't like his swing. Has anyone else noticed that his once natural motion is looking contrived and iffy? He is doing some kind of iffy move at the top that does not make the club look right . I can't work out what it is but it looks wrong. It takes real talent to take a silk purse like Els and make them look like a pig's ear.
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I have watched Els a lot and I do see something different in him. I think that he does lack some of the relaxed look he used to have. But, I think it is more likely that he is putting pressure on himself to win. His swing looked good yesterday, but he jabbed at a few putts and chips in an uncharacteristic way.

Still, I think he will be wearing the green jacket on Sunday!
 
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01ragtop

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quote:Not a good idea. Leadbetter has a talent for getting hold of good players and making them worse. I was watching Els and for the first time ever I don't like his swing. Has anyone else noticed that his once natural motion is looking contrived and iffy? He is doing some kind of iffy move at the top that does not make the club look right . I can't work out what it is but it looks wrong. It takes real talent to take a silk purse like Els and make them look like a pig's ear.
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Els casts more from the top now than ever, IMHO:(
 
birdie_man

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I don't like his takeaway. Looks forced....mechanical. I think he needs to forget about that early set....especially using his wrist muscles to set it.
 
tongzilla

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quote:Originally posted by 01ragtop

quote:Not a good idea. Leadbetter has a talent for getting hold of good players and making them worse. I was watching Els and for the first time ever I don't like his swing. Has anyone else noticed that his once natural motion is looking contrived and iffy? He is doing some kind of iffy move at the top that does not make the club look right . I can't work out what it is but it looks wrong. It takes real talent to take a silk purse like Els and make them look like a pig's ear.
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Els casts more from the top now than ever, IMHO:(
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His left wrist isn't as flat as it used to be at the top. In fact, I have a photo of him at the top hitting an iron with a very bent (about 20-30 degrees bent) left wrist. I have never seen that in Els before.

He has a slightly longer pause at the top.

He is 'swinging from the feet' less. In other words, he is initiating the downswing more with the hands than with the lower body. Of course, his lower body still leads the hands otherwise he wouldn't be making money.

He is not float loading (cocking wrist more on the downstroke) like he used to. This is related to my previous point. However, he still delays the release pretty well. I'd say a late random to snap release.
 
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hue

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Leo: That is a good analysis. It looks like that Els is doing the best he can with the garbage that Leadbetter has taught him. A battle between Els' God given innate talent and Leadbetter's supreme talent of messing players up.
 
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ready2eat

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For those interested: I found out why Charles Howell left Leadbetter.
The main issue was money. Charles balked at paying Leadbetter the kind of money he wanted (it was an incredibly high annual fee).
 
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mcflog

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hue said:
Brian : What do you make of the Leadbetter "improved" latest version of the Els' swing?
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I watched Els at the Wachovia last week, Lead should be shot for what he's done to that motion. He's hitting it ok, it just looks like position golf to me.
 
birdie_man

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Ya there's something there that's weird....

The overly early set (with wrist muscles) first of all....

Then in the Start Down.....

Still nice tempo tho of course.
 
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