Charlie Owens Swing, See anything Diffrent?
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Mike Thomas (sunmart)
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Crosshanded!
I met Charlie Owens in the early 1980's in Florida - the cross handed grip and the long putter - I believe were ways to deal with the injuries that he incurred in the armed services.
matt kluck
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Mike O,
I was playing the NFPGA Winter circuit then and saw his action up close more than a few times. You are correct about the war time injuries and he could flat-out smash it!
MK
Mike O,
I was playing the NFPGA Winter circuit then and saw his action up close more than a few times. You are correct about the war time injuries and he could flat-out smash it!
MK
The Message to the Ball is Blind
The ball is blind to everything except what it is told to do. It doesn't care who you are, how much money you have, what nationality or anything else..... it just obeys the command of the club at maximum compression. That is what makes it such a great and fair test that will try your soul.
The ball is blind to everything except what it is told to do. It doesn't care who you are, how much money you have, what nationality or anything else..... it just obeys the command of the club at maximum compression. That is what makes it such a great and fair test that will try your soul.
Not to be too nit-picky, but I would think closer to initial collision.
Damon Lucas
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Actually, bax is right on here! There is close to zero force on the ball at the collision, the same in the millisecond the ball leaves the clubface, and the maximum in the MIDDLE of the impact interval.
One of the many logical nuggets that Dr Zick presented at the anti-summit!
Cool, thank you for the information!
I was thinking more of the bigger picture of the motion of the club face can't be changed enough to influence the ball during the impact interval. So in essence, the sequence of events--hsp, AoA, vsp...-- leading up the impact is what determines what the ball knows and reacts to. Hence, the nit-picky comment. I stand corrected and the most influence is at maximum compression.
matt kluck
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logical nuggets
Is the following applicable or what do forum members do with "logical nuggets?"
*As each member of the Research and Development team discovers new research, they write a brief summary called a Nugget, and share the Nugget with the entire team. The team then discuses the research, evaluates its importance, and incorporates it into the curriculum.......The goal of these discussions is to spark interest in the field and talk about the key issues.........—eventually leading to new, modern, and up-to-date programs that are as effective as possible.
Is the following applicable or what do forum members do with "logical nuggets?"
*As each member of the Research and Development team discovers new research, they write a brief summary called a Nugget, and share the Nugget with the entire team. The team then discuses the research, evaluates its importance, and incorporates it into the curriculum.......The goal of these discussions is to spark interest in the field and talk about the key issues.........—eventually leading to new, modern, and up-to-date programs that are as effective as possible.
Damon Lucas
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I think that what we as a group want is a thorough examination and analysis of any science we come across, rather than the regurgitated and watered down lore that is typical in golf instruction. We want to integrate it into our instruction as well as share it with the forum as much as possible because that is who we are as people. There is a line between getting the info out as soon as possible, ensuring that it has been tested thoroughly and validated, and making it 'real world' which is the number one goal of Brian and the guys.
Most people on this forum add much to the discussions.
So yes, you're on the money!
Damon Lucas
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You are 100% correct too!
Size Matters
OK......just playing devils advocate so bear with me. First, we have determined that because the time frame of impact is so relatively small that the club doesn't have a chance to be manipulated in any way that would be of any influence on the ball. From the Anti Summit, the new nugget of info was that it is at maximum compression that the ball is encoded with the clubs directional influence. Compression last for less than an inch on all shots, including putting strokes. My question for the panel is this. Are there any directional vectors of influence being imparted at the initial moment of impact and if so would they be the same from that point up to maximum compression? Just for a visual image, imagine the golf ball is a big as a beach ball and the club is relative in size. Relative to that ratio, the length of compression would be greater. Would the influence of the club during that impact interval have the same influence as it does with a ball of only 1.68 inches.
OK......just playing devils advocate so bear with me. First, we have determined that because the time frame of impact is so relatively small that the club doesn't have a chance to be manipulated in any way that would be of any influence on the ball. From the Anti Summit, the new nugget of info was that it is at maximum compression that the ball is encoded with the clubs directional influence. Compression last for less than an inch on all shots, including putting strokes. My question for the panel is this. Are there any directional vectors of influence being imparted at the initial moment of impact and if so would they be the same from that point up to maximum compression? Just for a visual image, imagine the golf ball is a big as a beach ball and the club is relative in size. Relative to that ratio, the length of compression would be greater. Would the influence of the club during that impact interval have the same influence as it does with a ball of only 1.68 inches.
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