Chick Cup question...
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birly-shirly
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Was this an ability question, or an eligibility question?
If the former, our current club champion plays off 6, so yes, I think it's possible.
If the former, our current club champion plays off 6, so yes, I think it's possible.
mgranato
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mgranato
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Why Ryann?
otto6457
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Not from the back tees at my course (7400 yds). But......Kerr or Creamer might take it from the reds. (6900) A couple of the Tech girls have shot 206 for three rounds from the reds. Our course record for ladies is a 64 by Caroline Hedlund (yep...that Caroline Hedlund....she played in the Big 12 Championship for OSU and shot the 64 in her first round. Also the course played to par 73 as they turned one of our long par 4's into a par 5 for the tournament)
mgranato
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I should've laid it out better...
Your club's best flight of players, from any tee that makes it reasonable (but from the same tee), who wins?
otto6457
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That's a different kettle of fish!
We have a pretty strong group of 8-10 ex-college and ex mini-tour guys. But over 3 rounds the ladies might be more consistent. I'm not really sure but I'd pay to watch em' try.
Kevin Shields
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Am I the only one who had no idea whatsoever the Solheim Cup was going on this week?
If fist-pumps and knuckle-bumps count for something (regardless of if it's for 2 or 6) then the men's Ryder Cup team may have thier hands full. Otherwise I'll bring a hand-picked team of my buddies and make it interesting.
I watch it but the fact that they treat each and every shot like it's the last hole of a US Open is tiring. Watching them go bonkers on decent shots makes it look as if they've never hit a "good" shot in their life.
But then I suspect the LPGA is dealing with other issues that results in the above.
I watch it but the fact that they treat each and every shot like it's the last hole of a US Open is tiring. Watching them go bonkers on decent shots makes it look as if they've never hit a "good" shot in their life.
But then I suspect the LPGA is dealing with other issues that results in the above.
birly-shirly
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No. He may have gone back up from 5 to 6 since his win, but I don't think he's done so with a view to defending his title...
He beat a couple of "better" players on the way. We've got a few players in the 1 - 4 range, but no-one off scratch or better. These are UK rather than USGA handicaps BTW, so they're not complete chops
In my experience, that's not an untypical make-up of a club membership. A top flight with 8 - 10 ex-scholarships and mini-tour (and a yardage of 7400)? That would be a bit outside my experience of the norm.
I would think that up to 7000 yards, they would be extremely competitive and would beat most everyone not playing tournament golf on a weekly basis. (Including ex-college players, ex-touring pros and all teaching pros). Why? - Their games are tuned up, they play courses with tight fairways, decent rough, tucked pins and greens running at 11 or faster all year in competition. They would certainly eat a scratch player for lunch over 54 or 72 holes...so, my guess is that a player would need to be plus 4, 5 or 6 and tuned up to compete with the top LPGA ladies.
mgranato
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Wait, what???
Yep, on average, their course set-up is a lot more difficult than a typical course you would play in "everytown" USA. But, my basic point is that they are competing and hitting shots under pressure all the time. Over 3 or 4 days they just aren't going to hit as many poor shots as someone not used to competing and when they do, their scrambling skills are likely a lot better than most.
Got to be honest with you Quigss, but if LPGA courses were set up in the fashion that you describe, the ladies would have to shoot career rounds just to break par, and, with the dearth of sponsors, and thus TV time, that is already prevalent, that would spell doom for them.
As for competing and hitting shots under pressure, I see your point and, to some extent agree, but when a lady is constantly playing a hole with a a hybrid/fairway wood second shot, and the man is clipping a 7 iron in there, I would suggest that experience playing under pressure would eventually give way to ease of shot.
Not denigrating the ladies - fabulous players and great exponents of all the stuff that Brian et al espouse on this great site, but apples aren't oranges....
As for competing and hitting shots under pressure, I see your point and, to some extent agree, but when a lady is constantly playing a hole with a a hybrid/fairway wood second shot, and the man is clipping a 7 iron in there, I would suggest that experience playing under pressure would eventually give way to ease of shot.
Not denigrating the ladies - fabulous players and great exponents of all the stuff that Brian et al espouse on this great site, but apples aren't oranges....
Jared Willerson
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It is well known that LPGA setups are not very tough. Stated yardages for television and actual yardage present a somewhat large discrepancy most of the time. Rarely is a par 5 legitimately over 500 yards(some as little as 450), pins are usually placed near the middle of the green, nowhere near tucked behind a bunker or in a difficult spot on the green. Rough is non existant and the fairways are cut a good 10 yards wider than a PGA tour event (a big reason why they are so darn accurate).
Don't get me wrong, they can still play and would win their fair share of "average" club championships but would struggle versus deeper, more "player" oriented clubs.
Don't get me wrong, they can still play and would win their fair share of "average" club championships but would struggle versus deeper, more "player" oriented clubs.
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cmartingolf
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Second that...
I've been a club pro at three nice clubs. Any one of them would have won at my first club. It would have been close at my second club because I had a few strong guys that could play and with one exception they would win at my last club.
I used to play with Meg Mallon and Sherri Steinhauer in Palm Desert back in the day. They would shred all but the best male amateurs (ie, former decent College players) especially when the heat was on.
Billy McKinney
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Third that. I've been around a few lpga players and they would out-class most club champs by a lot. Dynamite short games, and they hit it about between 240 and 265 on normal fairway conditions.
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