CHRONICALLY too steep in transition. Cannot get in the slot. PLEASE HELP!

[mjb9ab]

As the title of this thread says, I am CHRONICALLY too steep in transition. No matter what I do, I cannot stop from getting the shaft too steep in the transition, and generally steep all the way to the ball. If I was just a little steep, I wouldn't care as much, but I am significantly over and above the plane coming down. I can usually shallow the club out at impact, and when my timing is perfect, I can really hit some good shots. However, I am extremely inconsistent. I do not know where my misses are. They can be pulls, fades, pushes, or hooks. I also hit a lot of balls fat and (mostly) thin. The driver is extremely erratic - probably my worst club.

I have tried making a bigger shoulder turn (although I already make a decent one), keeping my back facing the target as I drop my arms. I have tried swinging out to the right, swinging under a bar, getting the butt of the grip to point at the ball, etc etc etc.....nothing has done anything to cure my steepness and being over the plane in transition. Nothing! It's extemely frustrating, and it's impossible to be consistent right now.

Below is a video of my swing.....I apologize if the camera is a little far away (PLEASE NOTE: you can rotate the video clockwise by clicking on the "tools" tab, and then "rotate"):

SwingAcademy.com

Any help would be greatly appreciated....thanks!

 

[jenhaoyen]

why drop it into the slot?

 

[mjb9ab]

Because I am WAY over the plane in the downswing, particularly the start of the downswing/transition.

I'm looking for that shaft to bisect the right bicep from the top, and coming down into the ball bisecting, or on a plane just above the right forearm. I cannot stop coming in too steep right from the top.

 

[DCgolf]

I would have you hit a lot of balls on a side hill with the ball above your feet, like knee high if possible. OR hit balls off a tall tee and keep the club in the air at least as high as the ball. Then just make some "T-Ball" or baseball swings into the ball. After a while lower the tee, a less steep hill etc...

 

[softconsult]

The way over the plane thing is directly related to your sequencing. If your downswing started with a step on the left foot, and you unwound with your hips leading and with some axis tilt , then the club could drop down into the slot, so to speak. You are unwinding the upper body with lightning speed and losing your spine angle too early in the downswing. Could also be related to your setup. Face On would be useful.
PS. I am not an instructor, but there a bunch of really good ones on here.

 

[jenhaoyen]

The way over the plane thing is directly related to your sequencing. If your downswing started with a step on the left foot, and you unwound with your hips leading and with some axis tilt , then the club could drop down into the slot, so to speak. You are unwinding the upper body with lightning speed and losing your spine angle too early in the downswing. Could also be related to your setup. Face On would be useful.
PS. I am not an instructor, but there a bunch of really good ones on here.

I don't know but I would love to have his swing.

I just rotate with the tools. I think I see something else. It looks like you are trying to stop the pivot and flip it.

Not sure

 

[jenhaoyen]

Because I am WAY over the plane in the downswing, particularly the start of the downswing/transition.

I'm looking for that shaft to bisect the right bicep from the top, and coming down into the ball bisecting, or on a plane just above the right forearm. I cannot stop coming in too steep right from the top.

I don't think you should try to simulate the "SLOT" swing thought. If anything it has done nothing but bad things to me, and you know what, the ball doesn't know. but again, probably need a front view to really see if you are super over the top, or just a club face problem.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Your hands look like they go toward the ball

 

[mjb9ab]

Yeah, I've definitely noticed that....however it doesn't "feel" like they are. The thing I've struggled with is that I thought that TGM taught you trace a "straight plane line with your hands" to the ball from the top??? This causes me to be WAY over the plane. Even when I " feel" like my hands are going straight down and towards my rear hip, they still seem to be over the plane. Can't fix it!

 

[Kevin Shields]

Can't or won't?

I think you can.

 

[mjb9ab]

Lol. Well I've certainly been trying! I've tried a number of things to get me on plane frOm the top and in transition and thru the ball....do you have any suggestions?

 

[ej20]

As the title of this thread says, I am CHRONICALLY too steep in transition. No matter what I do, I cannot stop from getting the shaft too steep in the transition, and generally steep all the way to the ball. If I was just a little steep, I wouldn't care as much, but I am significantly over and above the plane coming down. I can usually shallow the club out at impact, and when my timing is perfect, I can really hit some good shots. However, I am extremely inconsistent. I do not know where my misses are. They can be pulls, fades, pushes, or hooks. I also hit a lot of balls fat and (mostly) thin. The driver is extremely erratic - probably my worst club.

I have tried making a bigger shoulder turn (although I already make a decent one), keeping my back facing the target as I drop my arms. I have tried swinging out to the right, swinging under a bar, getting the butt of the grip to point at the ball, etc etc etc.....nothing has done anything to cure my steepness and being over the plane in transition. Nothing! It's extemely frustrating, and it's impossible to be consistent right now.

Below is a video of my swing.....I apologize if the camera is a little far away (PLEASE NOTE: you can rotate the video clockwise by clicking on the "tools" tab, and then "rotate"):

SwingAcademy.com

Any help would be greatly appreciated....thanks!

I think you are only a lttle bit steep,not chronically steep.Chronically is where the club is pointing at your feet or even behind your feet in the transition.Yours is pointing somewhere between the feet and the ball which is fine.

Perhaps your inconsistency is caused by something else.You may also consider getting a high speed camera for clearer videos.

 

[footwedge]

Looks like your hands stay out and the clubhead is layed back behind them in the B.S. Like a late pop out/laid off clubhead. On the d.s. the hands are already out then go more out towards the ball. Therefore you can't lineup the clubhead with the release properly because both the hands and the club are going towards the ball. I would get the hands in on the b.s. feel like they stay in as you pivot and get the clubhead out on the d.s. to line it up JMO.

This is the only thing that ever fixed my steep hands out from the top d.s. similiar to yours.

 

[Lifter]

Looks like your hands stay out and the clubhead is layed back behind them in the B.S. Like a late pop out/laid off clubhead. On the d.s. the hands are already out then go more out towards the ball. Therefore you can't lineup the clubhead with the release properly because both the hands and the club are going towards the ball. I would get the hands in on the b.s. feel like they stay in as you pivot and get the clubhead out on the d.s. to line it up JMO.

This is the only thing that ever fixed my steep hands out from the top d.s. similiar to yours.

I think this is very sound advice. From a down-the-line view, deep hand path on the backswing makes vertical hand path on the downswing MUCH easier, IMO.

 

[hp12c]

As the title of this thread says, I am CHRONICALLY too steep in transition. No matter what I do, I cannot stop from getting the shaft too steep in the transition, and generally steep all the way to the ball. If I was just a little steep, I wouldn't care as much, but I am significantly over and above the plane coming down. I can usually shallow the club out at impact, and when my timing is perfect, I can really hit some good shots. However, I am extremely inconsistent. I do not know where my misses are. They can be pulls, fades, pushes, or hooks. I also hit a lot of balls fat and (mostly) thin. The driver is extremely erratic - probably my worst club.

I have tried making a bigger shoulder turn (although I already make a decent one), keeping my back facing the target as I drop my arms. I have tried swinging out to the right, swinging under a bar, getting the butt of the grip to point at the ball, etc etc etc.....nothing has done anything to cure my steepness and being over the plane in transition. Nothing! It's extemely frustrating, and it's impossible to be consistent right now.

Below is a video of my swing.....I apologize if the camera is a little far away (PLEASE NOTE: you can rotate the video clockwise by clicking on the "tools" tab, and then "rotate"):

SwingAcademy.com

Any help would be greatly appreciated....thanks!

Just my 2 cents worth, try the opposite on the backswing, take it back steep and then downswing like the backswing in the video, the reason I say this if you take it back steep on the backswing can you downswing steeper, maybe but you should notice and stop, will take some practice but you should see a difference.

 

[softconsult]

Aiming too far left can also cause the over the top steep move. One of the conclusions during my Mike Jacobs lesson, wherein he showed me how steep I was in the downswing, was simply to aim more right and widen my stance. Problem solved ( At least at that moment in time!)

 

[footwedge]

On the other swings that are there especially the driver you can easily see you flip back the clubhead behind you using your wrists as your hands and arms go out and upwards producing a popout/laidoff club that you re-route to a steeper position by lifting up your arms in the b.s. from there you come down in the transition on that steeper plane.

I would fix the takeaway/b.s. handpath first....jmo.

 

[mjb9ab]

Thanks for the input. I appreciate it, and agree with your analysis to a large degree. How do I get the club to the top, in a powerful, on-plane, position without "flipping" the clubhead back? How do you recommend I improve my hand path? Thanks again!

 

[footwedge]

Thanks for the input. I appreciate it, and agree with your analysis to a large degree. How do I get the club to the top, in a powerful, on-plane, position without "flipping" the clubhead back? How do you recommend I improve my hand path? Thanks again!

Move the hands/ arm path inwards the shaft will follow as will the clubhead on their paths, don't move the clubhead inwards behind you via the shaft using your wrists joints. Of course you still will be using your b.s. pivot also to assist you.

 

[footwedge]

You can look up lagging club takeaway on the search function. there's other drills you can find that can help with this if your into drills and the feedback they give.