chuck quinton
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birdie_man
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Ahahahahhahahah.
That was blunt.
Bad review- I hope not....but it wouldn't surprise me.
Not that it has anything to do with Mr. Quinton (don't know much of him).....
It's just easy to criticize TGM for being too complex, tough read, etc.
That was blunt.
Bad review- I hope not....but it wouldn't surprise me.
Not that it has anything to do with Mr. Quinton (don't know much of him).....
It's just easy to criticize TGM for being too complex, tough read, etc.
birdie_man
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lol prolly true. I use it along with the net...
Once you have the lingo down and are into it enough the book becomes a great great thing. Such a massive source of information....right in your hands.
quote:Originally posted by birdie_man
Ahahahahhahahah.
That was blunt.
Bad review- I hope not....but it wouldn't surprise me.
Not that it has anything to do with Mr. Quinton (don't know much of him).....
It's just easy to criticize TGM for being too complex, tough read, etc.
who knows- he might be enlightened.
self-mastery
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6bee1dee, stop spreading lies. Chuck's forum is FREE, I just got off it. The 15 bucks is for the vault, that has a series of video clips of training drills and techniques (how to hit a fade, how to fix this problem, online lessons, etc.)
I've been a member of that FREE forum since it was created. I mostly lurk, but from what I've observed, chuck is a great teacher and does a great job making the IPS work. I'm a fan of both TGM and the chuck's version of the 1ps. I hope that TGM doesn't rot his brain, one his strong points is simplifying the golf swing. Before you clai m that I'm a troll or secret agent of his, please read the thread that the orginal poster mentions... I actually direct ppl from that forum here------ BTW I post as Tinkers over there...
ignore my typos.
The 1ps: it is complete, it is complete, it is complete.
I've been a member of that FREE forum since it was created. I mostly lurk, but from what I've observed, chuck is a great teacher and does a great job making the IPS work. I'm a fan of both TGM and the chuck's version of the 1ps. I hope that TGM doesn't rot his brain, one his strong points is simplifying the golf swing. Before you clai m that I'm a troll or secret agent of his, please read the thread that the orginal poster mentions... I actually direct ppl from that forum here------ BTW I post as Tinkers over there...
ignore my typos.
The 1ps: it is complete, it is complete, it is complete.
Self, I love spreading lies. You know that. You are very bright. See did it again.
Lets see what your free membership gets you- lurking, promos, limited forum to non-MEMBER areas. His free instruction is a big promo to the 15 dollar a month MEMBERS VAULT.
Unlike Manzella or Blake, it doesn't take 15 bucks a month to talk to them. In fact, Brian and Lynn can be reached on the phone.
I'm spreading lies? How?
And why aren't you a PAYING member? Not worth it?
One plane is the best swing out there- oops I did it again.
self-mastery
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How many times have you been to chucks forum??? You dont have to pay to post; the majority of the information is found in the main forum. Spend some more time there, and you will understand what the vault is. It is not some secret portal where the cool kids play; it is just a video resource. Chuck and Brian are both running businesses, who cares? They are giving good information.
Been there but the forum rotted my brain. I visit at my own risk. The biggest problem is a cultural one. The Hardy one plane isn't one plane in TGM.
So the paid membership isn't worth it? Why? CQ bills it as a portal with some value.
And I spread lies?
Big Big difference in the quality of Q's place vs Brian's and Lynn's sites.
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There is a reason MY SITE is #1.
Actually, several.
Actually, several.
scripkilla
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I am a member of Quinton's site and will say it's quite worth it to me. Although I used Hogan's 5 lessons book to self teach the basic swing fundamentals (most significantly having passive/arms during the initial hip rotation), Chuck is very much non-discriminatory and actually gave the Yellow Book props. His only real argument, as you could guess, was that it seemed overly complex in its layout. He said if the layout were a little better, more readers may spend the time getting more out of the book. He actually said it had the potential to be the best all-in-one resource on the golf swing if it were re-written. He's not a dunce however, and followed that thought with another thought...no one will attempt to edit it because that is what makes it so unique to TGMers such as many of you.
We have collaboration and friendships on his site just as you do. That's great that yours is free to the user. Personally, I have the $15 to spend each month and get a lot out of what Quinton teaches. He also keeps content very fresh.
We have collaboration and friendships on his site just as you do. That's great that yours is free to the user. Personally, I have the $15 to spend each month and get a lot out of what Quinton teaches. He also keeps content very fresh.
birdie_man
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Cool man...good to hear from you. And I'm glad to see he made some sense of TGM.
I too think there should be a "basic version".....cause I think it would be harder to change people attitudes than it would be to adapt to them- even if you have to compromize your beliefs a smidge ("rather than ramming things down their throats"....even if you think you're right).
I just think that TGM can help lots of people....but not everyone is gonna be into it as much as some of us are....that's just the reality of it. So to help them it might have to be "watered down" a bit. i.e. the yellow book as it is can be fine for a teacher or a more in-depth TGM student.....but a "dumbed-down" book can serve the same purpose as a trained TGM AI (that purpose being to comunicate Homer's principles in ways so the student can understand and apply those principles....and know how the swing works).
It'll still help people and I think that should be that main idea.
-Paul
I too think there should be a "basic version".....cause I think it would be harder to change people attitudes than it would be to adapt to them- even if you have to compromize your beliefs a smidge ("rather than ramming things down their throats"....even if you think you're right).
I just think that TGM can help lots of people....but not everyone is gonna be into it as much as some of us are....that's just the reality of it. So to help them it might have to be "watered down" a bit. i.e. the yellow book as it is can be fine for a teacher or a more in-depth TGM student.....but a "dumbed-down" book can serve the same purpose as a trained TGM AI (that purpose being to comunicate Homer's principles in ways so the student can understand and apply those principles....and know how the swing works).
It'll still help people and I think that should be that main idea.
-Paul
shootin4par
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quinton uses hardy's term but does not want to use hardy's nethods and therefore complicating what hardy tried to make more simple.
Quinton has recently posted a rear view of his swing - it's not a one-plane swing, even in the misguided Hardy sense. He goes from the shaft plane to the turned shoulder plane on the BS, then drops to the elbow plane on the DS.
http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1294&PN=1
http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1294&PN=1
Paul,
You make a very good point concerning the need for a beginer level version of "The Golfing Machine". I,like you, think that it would be easier for the TGM novice to grasp a basic understanding of the principles of TGM without becoming completely overwelmed. I speak from experience on this and if it were'nt for the TGM sites such as Brian's,(btw, Love the site, Brian), Yoda's, and Chuck Evan's, I would have given up on TGM after the first week of attempting to make some sense of the yellow book out of sheer frustration of keeping the terminology straight and what applys to what.[xx(] O.K., I know that I',m not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Even now, there is still a great deal of fog, but it is not as bad as before and I'm begining to have somewhat of a working knowledge of what is required in the "Swinging" method of TGM.After viewing Brian's excellent "Confessions of a former flipper" and the video's posted on Yoda's site of Ben Doyle, Tom Tomasello, and Yoda himself giving lesson, the fog lifted even more. There is very little of the "TGM speak",if you want to call it that, in these vids, and all of the AI's are so very good in communicating the proper techniques involved and it is quite easy to understand the theory involved and how to apply it. That said, I am bit suprised that one of these excellent AI's hasn't produced a "watered down", as Paul put it, book or dvd and called it "An idiot's guide to TGM, or "TGM for Dummies" for those simple-minded wanabe TGMer's such as myself to help shorten the learning curve.
Regards,
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