Confused about weight shift

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I have been working on my pivot, particularly because I'm swaying, then having an upper body "lunge" toward the ball (even though my head does stay behind the ball at impact). After reading threads and Brian's pivot article, I'm more confused than ever.

When does the weight begin to transfer to the front foot from the back foot? How much weight is on the back foot at the top of the swing? How much at impact? When a golfer performs the "squat," is that the point where weight is equally distributed between the feet? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks guys!
 
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Weight Shift

I was surprised to find out that it is much less than I thought.
Try searching "counter balance" on the forum search and
"Rotate around your spine"
 
After reading you post, two things come to mind. One is the drill where you hit balls with your feet together. The second is Brian's drill where you simply step on your right foot and allow the arms to swing back, then step on your left foot and allow the arms to swing through. Could be in the "Confessions Video". You need to worry about learning rhytm more that some specific number for how much weight on rear leg. The squat? I would say that is a very advance move that is best forgotten for now.
 
sideyard - that's where I'm ending up, too. I think I'm overdoing the pivot. I watched Tiger hit a shot at the Barclay's today from the face on view. It was a knockdown, but his left hip did not move back AT ALL on the backswing and dramatically moved forward on the downswing. He also had his left leg kicked in a bit, which I'm experimenting with to give me a bit of setup axis tilt (I'm hoping this will lead to maintaining the axis tilt in the swing rather than lsoing it and then adding it late like I've been doing).

softconsult - I know those drills and will give them a shot. I have confessions, so I'll take another look at at that, too. Thanks for the advice. As for the squat, I'm not sure I agree. I have a tendency to not get my front knee toward the target (instead, I pull it backward). When I do make the squat move, my knee turns more toward the target. But my swing looks like I'm all over the place with my upper and lower body and I long for the simple quiet swing of a guy like Slocum.
 
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I'm currently fighting w/ a hip lunge as well. I've found that a full turn of the hips (in the backswing) that is started w/ a little push from the left leg can get you into a very powerful and loaded-feeling positon. From there I just try to "tuck" my left leg under my body and let everything fly past it.

I tried the squat and the push up for the left leg as well. I've decided to save that move for next year.

My lunge is caused by the lack of a full turn w/ a small reverse pivot in the backswing (weight on left foot). I was in denial for a long time. I couldn't come to grips w/ the fact that I was reversing because my weight wasn't shifting backwards (typical reverser move) in the forward swing. Since my instincts wouldn't let me shift backwards the only thing to do from the weak turn + slightly reversed position is lunge those hips towards the target to make power.

Sucks that I figured all of this out on the last weekend of August. Brian taught me the pivot that I'm now trying to relearn back in May. I started "faking" the pivot some time in June. I've been in golf hell since. But there is light at the end of the tunnel.
 

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The Pivot....by Brian Manzella

How much should you pivot?

As little as possible.

How much is that?

Depends.

On what?

The shot.

OK, What about a chip shot?

What about it?

How much should you pivot on a chip shot you land 5 feet in front of you?

None going back below the waist, some above the waist, and barely going through.

What about a little pitch shot you land 45 feet in front of you?

As much as you need to.

I don't get it?

Get what?

Why are you being so coy? I have "Flipper," don't you preach using a lot of pivot in that video?

The message in "Flipper" is simple: In my opinion, it is easier to LEARN not to flip, if you use a motion where "impact hands" are pulled through by a rotating, tilted axis, instead of just standing there hoping that the hand motion will create enough pivot not to flip.

Don't you teach a big ole pivot?

To who?

To a golfer who comes to you for lessons?

Like Kevin Shields? Tom Bartlett? Micheal Finney? Derek Sanders?

That's four guys with VERY different pivots.

Don't you teach a big ole pivot to some folks?

Like a Slicer that comes to me with a nasty reverse pivot?

Yeah. Don't you get them to move way "off the ball"?

Slicers need flatter shoulder turns in general. Some folks will have a "look of lean" at the top that they didn't have before.

But, last week, I just made "VJ Singer" move his hips more to the right and steepened his shoulder turn with LESS head movement.

Yeah, but I thought you hated "centered pivots."

I dislike golfers using a pivot that doesn't generate enough power.

These pivots are often left leaning or head centered pivots. They are great for a very small percentage of golfers, and a death move for others.

You have to use the pivot to generate speed, and you have to get some "line" help from it.

To do this, basically, you have to wind up and away, move back down and left, and unwind up and back.

But every golfer will look different doing this.

Some folks will over do it, but just as many I've seen UNDER do it.

My pivot will NEVER look like Mike Finney's.

But the important part is, I would play worse, and hit it worse TRYING to "look" simple and quiet.

No offense, but give me Nicklaus, Snead, and Palmer's pivots, over so-called Simple and quiet.

What about the shot Tiger hit a shot at the Barclay's that was a knockdown, and his left hip did not move back AT ALL on the backswing and dramatically moved forward on the downswing?

Sounds like a knockdown to me.

If his left hip doesn't move back on a full driver, call 911, because when he tries to get up to 125 mph, and get to the inside of the ball from that kind of PIVOTLESS backswing, he'll need hip surgery.

When does the weight begin to transfer to the front foot from the back foot?

On a typical full shot, for an orthodox pivot, it moves right fairly early, but just a bit.

How much weight is on the back foot at the top of the swing?

Not so much that you could HOLD your backswing position there.

How much weight is left at impact?

Not that much.The hips are WAY FURTHER LEFT, but the upper body is tilted and going back and around, so there is just a little more weight left at impact.

When a golfer performs the "squat," is that the point where weight is equally distributed between the feet?


No.

That's when the weight gets as LEFT as it is going to before the follow-through.

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Thanks Brian. Lots of good stuff in here. It's all customized, I get it now, I'll chill out..I'm workin' hard.
 
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Awesome, thanks Brian!

What do you make of the idea of the squat allowing the knee to face more toward the target rather than just moving straight back (I don't mean actually facing the target - I guess it's more of a 45 degree angle or so)? In other words, is my "static front knee" enough of a problem to try to squat to change its action at impact and beyond?

Thanks again for the reply.
 
Brian Manzella;150877[B said:
When does the weight begin to transfer to the front foot from the back foot? [/B]

On a typical full shot, for an orthodox pivot, it moves right fairly early, but just a bit.

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Brian,
Would you take another run at this one? Thanks.
 
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