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Brian...

I heard Freddie say "I learned very quickly as a kid that the faster I got my hands on my left shoulder in the finish, the further the ball goes."

But why does it go further?
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Sounds like less deceleration through impact and more downplane thrust...

OR IN ENGLISH

the more you minimize the speed loss from the impact collision, the faster/further the ball is going to go. Think, smash factor.
 
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I thought it was relating to his finish position, where he quickly (but still smoothly- of course, it's Freddie) flops his hands onto his left shoulder.

He's kind of the opposite of Vijay or someone with that high finish.

Logically, one would think that Vijay or Monty or someone (with their finish) would have the speed advantage through impact because they kind of follow the target line all the way until the finish...like they followthrough (TGM Followthrough def'n) straight at the target for longer whereas Freddie's hands go around his body and the shaft quickly goes around his back.
 
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comdpa

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The answer it seems would lie in separation speed. His max speed occurs after the club smashes the ball. Therefore he acclerates to full speed only when his hands are past the ball unlike most amateurs who accelerate from the top. Their max acceleration occurs before the ball, giving a low separation speed.

Since he accelerates at such a position, it feels like the faster he can get his hands to his shoulder (straight line) the longer he hits it.

I am open to correction. I am taught that if i swish a shaft, i should ideally hear the swish beyond the ball. So it feels like the loudest swish at that point is produced by a fast transition of the hands to the shoulder.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Everyone loses speed when they hit the ball, thats physics.

HOWEVER

The amount you lose can vary, you want to try and minimize the amount you lose so that more energy is transfered to the ball for more speed.
 
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EdZ

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"Support the on plane swinging force in balance"

sustain the line of compression

heavy, smooth, deliberate

Drive the Nail

Balance and Finish - Knudson

The Three imperatives and essentials - Kelley

Close your eyes and see

"Give up control, to gain control" - Knudson

downplane force

sizzle
 
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DDL

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Finish is one of the three stations, however it is mentioned very rarely on these forums. Page one of The Book describes the golfstroke as the physics of rotation and geometry of a circle. With all the emphasis on impact and down and out, one neglects the other half of the swing, thus the circle and rotation are interrupted, and the plane line is bent. Brian's instruction to swing hard left seems similar to Couples' visualization.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Hmmmm...let's see the FASTER I GET THE CLUB ON MY LEFT SHOULDER....

as opposed to FASTER TO THE BALL...

....Three Stations.....hmmmm

Really guys, Freddie just figured out that ROTATION is the key, and THROUGH THE BALL rotation that throws the club all the way to a real finish, which BTW was the BEST IN GOLF in his heyday.
 
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DDL

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His swing was analyzed in slomo at least two times yesterday, and both occasions showed a cupped left wrist at the top of his backswing.
 
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leegee38

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quote:Originally posted by DDL

His swing was analyzed in slomo at least two times yesterday, and both occasions showed a cupped left wrist at the top of his backswing.
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That is primarily due to his strong left hand grip. If his wrist was flat at the top the clubface would be shut big time.
 
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FanofHogan

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

Also....

The NEVER HOOK AGAIN swing was on display from both Freddie and the blond guy playing with him.
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I didnt see it, but someone said the Blonde Guy got ticked at someone in the gallery and gave them the bird on hole 9 yesterday. I really thought DT was going to win that tournament after Saturday's round. He just never looked like he got into any sort of good groove yesterday.
 
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