David Duval

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OLIVER1

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Just an observation really...Any comments would be v. interesting

I was having a nose at Playing With The Pros on the Golf Channel, and David Duval was the pro.
Goodness gracious, have you ever seen anybody's body motion, just prior to, at and beyond impact that is a better examplar of Brian's throw the drunk off the shoulder with the axis tilt?
Clearly all the tours pros do it, but, for whatever reason, Duval's is so screamingly obvious it's funny

With that in mind, and notwithstanding any personal problems, why do you think he fell off the map as rapidly as he did?
 
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OLIVER1 said:
Just an observation really...Any comments would be v. interesting

I was having a nose at Playing With The Pros on the Golf Channel, and David Duval was the pro.
Goodness gracious, have you ever seen anybody's body motion, just prior to, at and beyond impact that is a better examplar of Brian's throw the drunk off the shoulder with the axis tilt?
Clearly all the tours pros do it, but, for whatever reason, Duval's is so screamingly obvious it's funny

With that in mind, and notwithstanding any personal problems, why do you think he fell off the map as rapidly as he did?
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Is the "throw the drunk off the shoulder" in one of BM's videos?

I think he fell off the map because he went to a teacher that teaches something very different than he grew up with and at the same time had some personal issues. Recipe for disaster.
 
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In my opinion David Duvall fell off the map for the same reason Johnny Miller did.........

Family first, golf second.

Simple as that, other things are more important to him than golf.
 
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Bigwill

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According to an article I read, Duval said he started having problems when he hurt himself, and then tried to swing around the injury, causing compensations. Heck, if you believe him, his kids are motivation for him to get back to the top. He said that he wants them to see him play the way that he used to.
 
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Bigwill said:
According to an article I read, Duval said he started having problems when he hurt himself, and then tried to swing around the injury, causing compensations. Heck, if you believe him, his kids are motivation for him to get back to the top. He said that he wants them to see him play the way that he used to.
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I saw an interview with him on TGC and he said exactly the same thing. Says he loves golf again and he wants his kids to know the guy in the pictures is for real and was the best at his craft once upon a time.

I have always loved Duvalls game but didn't care much for him until the last couple of years. The more I read and find out about this guy the more I like him.
 
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I've always been intrigued by David. As his struggles has worsened, his attitude has gotten better, and that is something we can all learn from. I am a bigger DD fan now than when he was #1.

That said, I do think he could have been the true rival to Tiger. Some on this site have called him the best ball striker in the past 20 years. And he could putt it with the best of them.

And to answer the OP's question, yes his pivot is amazing.
 
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suns11111

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Bad period of not driving the ball good, he had wrist and back trouble. With his ultra strong grip and bad back....he needs to rotate a lot going thru the ball, but with injuries kind of hard to find "it".
Just love how he can come out and play great every so often......confidence I bet is what gets him to play at a high level and fall apart........like me lol.
 
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ej20

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Like most things it was probably a combination of many issues.Family,motivation,injury and technique.

Technical wise,he is definitely a lot more underplane than he was when he was number one.There is now a very pronouced loop or dropping of the plane during the transition.

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spktho

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I think his strong grip makes him have to have open hips and shoulders along with a lot of axis tilt to keep the club face open.
 
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SteveT

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Didn't he develop a bad back after letting his belly blow out or something ..??!!!
 
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Bigwill

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Maybe he needs a little NHA to get him back? A little more carry in particular may help him keep from dropping the club so much...
 
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Jared Willerson

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Definitely more underplane. I think he over did some stuff that used to be a great feel for him. Started thinking too much, didn't just react anymore because of the injury to his back and wrist.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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All i know is that he was #1 with a super strong grip, a flat left wrist and played a fade.

Then, he left golf.

He came back, and Haney "haneyized" him with a neutral grip and parallel planes.

Too extreme of a change imo
 
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Jim Kobylinski said:
All i know is that he was #1 with a super strong grip, a flat left wrist and played a fade.

Then, he left golf.

He came back, and Haney "haneyized" him with a neutral grip and parallel planes.

Too extreme of a change imo
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Thats what I said...........without the high tech mumbo jumbo teacher talk ;). He took a natural fader and tried to straighten him out with a draw based swing......yuk.
 
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SteveT said:
Didn't he develop a bad back after letting his belly blow out or something ..??!!!
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Steve, without wishing to advocate uncontrolled eating, I think he played better as a fatboy, than after he slimmed down, no?;)

Obviously you cant really play well from his pre-impact on the down the line video where he is wearing the brown trousers. It pretty much how I used to come into the ball and it makes me feel unwell to look at it. Horrible.

Don't know enough about him to comment on the original question. But one thing is for sure, inappropriate changes to a player of his talent is the road to ruin. There is no way back from there either. Too many essential ingredients to play the way he used to play have been lost along the way: in short he will never play in the same mental "state" he used to, and so he will never play the way he used to.

BManz would have been a great coach for him, IMO (and certainly still would be). Haney is the antithesis of what Duval needed. His poor mental state when he went to Haney was probably the reason he was unable to identify this until it was too late.

BTW, as an "across the ponder" I don't quite get why Bmanz is not more sought after from the tour players? Maybe something for a seperate thread?
 
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wulsy said:
Obviously you cant really play well from his pre-impact on the down the line video where he is wearing the brown trousers. It pretty much how I used to come into the ball and it makes me feel unwell to look at it. Horrible.
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isn't that the swing he was #1 with?
 
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wulsy

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I hope not!, cos I've changed my swing now. I'm coming into it similar to he does when he's wearing the blue shirt. I hit it better in every respect now, bit I ain't ever gonna be number 1 anywhere:(
 
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