David Toms: Iron Swingvision @ Travelers '07
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Kotis's plane line has DT above the TSP?
Hi guys,
I notice that David Toms from after the finish swivel and going to the finish has his left wrist bent and right wrist straight.
Is this a good procedure to follow? I know the ball is long gone. I've being trying to keep my right wrist bent throughout the entire swing until even the finish, but I just feel more comfortable if the right wrist is flat going into the finish as it is the exact opposite of the backswing.
Is it ok to stray from the NSA procedure for this part of the swing?
cheers,
daniel
I notice that David Toms from after the finish swivel and going to the finish has his left wrist bent and right wrist straight.
Is this a good procedure to follow? I know the ball is long gone. I've being trying to keep my right wrist bent throughout the entire swing until even the finish, but I just feel more comfortable if the right wrist is flat going into the finish as it is the exact opposite of the backswing.
Is it ok to stray from the NSA procedure for this part of the swing?
cheers,
daniel
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Why do you want to finish with a bent right wrist and FLW? What purpose does it serve?
Brian Manzella
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Never Hook Again!
The "Never Hook Again" pattern, and isde of the Manzella Matrix, was INVENTED becuase of David Toms.
When I started working with David in 1988, my pattern of preference was right in the middle of the Matrix, as far as Plane Line to Clubface goes.
David could beat the guys I taught that did the pattern I taught, better than he could.
Eventually, when I learned what became the left side of the Matrix—about 1994—I "figured out" why DT's swing worked so well.
In 1997, I taught it back to him, after he had strayed from it too much.
It didn't include a "wedding ring up" finish swivel.
The "Never Hook Again" pattern, and isde of the Manzella Matrix, was INVENTED becuase of David Toms.
When I started working with David in 1988, my pattern of preference was right in the middle of the Matrix, as far as Plane Line to Clubface goes.
David could beat the guys I taught that did the pattern I taught, better than he could.
Eventually, when I learned what became the left side of the Matrix—about 1994—I "figured out" why DT's swing worked so well.
In 1997, I taught it back to him, after he had strayed from it too much.
It didn't include a "wedding ring up" finish swivel.
Kostis drew the squared shoulder plane line there. Although it would have been better if he drew it from the ball and sweet spot of the club up instead of an inch right of the ball.
Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook.
B-Ray
lia41985
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Brian,
Is it correct that David's a swinger? I see the left hand swinging on the backswing (EDIT: 43 sec.--David's face is really facing the ball for hitting).
What are the advantages of using these components (swinging, horizontal hinging) with the "Never Hook Again" pattern as opposted to using hitting and angled hinging? If advantages is the wrong word, how about, what are the effects on ball flight/power/accuracy?
Furthermore, David looks like he's using a sholder turn takeaway (EDIT: no he's not) rather than right forearm pickup.
Is it correct that David's a swinger? I see the left hand swinging on the backswing (EDIT: 43 sec.--David's face is really facing the ball for hitting).
What are the advantages of using these components (swinging, horizontal hinging) with the "Never Hook Again" pattern as opposted to using hitting and angled hinging? If advantages is the wrong word, how about, what are the effects on ball flight/power/accuracy?
Furthermore, David looks like he's using a sholder turn takeaway (EDIT: no he's not) rather than right forearm pickup.
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Brian Manzella
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According to who?
In other words, I TOTALLY disagre with that statement. But really, who cares?
lia41985
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Ha, according to me Brian. I didn't say I was right. So thanks for clearing that up.
Question: what are the tendencies in terms of outcome (ball flight and power) for someone using these components in combination (swinging, STT, horizontal hinging) vs. those components (hitting, RFT, angled hinging) in the "Never Hook Again" pattern? Maybe I'm wrong, but with regards to the first set of components, if you use them in the framework of the Never Hook Again pattern, you're not as far on the left side of the Manzella Matrix (i.e. swinging as far left?) compared to if you used the second set of components. Does that make sense/is it correct?
Question: what are the tendencies in terms of outcome (ball flight and power) for someone using these components in combination (swinging, STT, horizontal hinging) vs. those components (hitting, RFT, angled hinging) in the "Never Hook Again" pattern? Maybe I'm wrong, but with regards to the first set of components, if you use them in the framework of the Never Hook Again pattern, you're not as far on the left side of the Manzella Matrix (i.e. swinging as far left?) compared to if you used the second set of components. Does that make sense/is it correct?
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