Debate: play great golf without ever thinking about the pivot?

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tongzilla

tongzilla

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Can a teacher make all the changes he needs to make on a student's pivot without ever saying a word about the pivot?

What if Brian gave his next 100 lessons without ever actively changing someone's pivot (except at address), so all he could change was how his students move his arms and hands and the torques they applied on the club?
 
ZAP

ZAP

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For sure I think. Sometimes just figuring out what the club needs to do is all any decent athlete needs.
 
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Kevin Shields

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Tongzilla, I don't think it's that simple. I believe if you change arm action and club positioning, the pivot often follows as a reaction to the way the club is swinging. But, you become aware of the pivot and still may need mentioning of it and focus on it.
 
mgranato

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The practical answer to these questions strikes me as being highly dependent on the student, their current ability, and how they process what's being taught.

If you want to teach someone how to duck, you could explain the movement, show them the movement, put them into a ducked position, or take a swing at their head. Hopefully you'd know when to apply what method. :)
 
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ParHunter

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How much difference will it actually make to have an efficient pivot?

At what age would you lose the ability to 'separate' your hips and get the most of the pivot? I am wondering whether for me (44 years old playing for 9 years now) who uses a mainly arms and shoulder swing (this golf mtrx app shows me peaking with my hips around impact) a swing change is really worth it and weather I can maintain that swing for years to come. I could do with a bit more distance of the tee but not if it comes with hip problems 5 years down the line!

I am currently already working on a swing change this winter (getting rid of a chicken wing on the backswing which lead to a loop, trying to lay off the club and the tumble) so I could try to work on a better pivot as well. I am just wondering whether that is still achievable for a 44 year old.
 
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Kevin Shields

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Par hunter, you could always improve body action for the benefit of your golf. It certainly doesn't have to lead to injury, especially for someone as young as you are. Besides, if you improve your tumble, you had better proportionally improve your body motion.
 
mgranato

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Kevin Shields said:
Par hunter, you could always improve body action for the benefit of your golf. It certainly doesn't have to lead to injury, especially for someone as young as you are. Besides, if you improve your tumble, you had better proportionally improve your body motion.
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Brilliant this bit.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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The answer is generally no, might work for some might not work for others. I've had very athletic students who never need much of a word about it (except maybe where to make the body go) and i've had other students who aren't athletic and just basically stand there and use their arms too much and we need to work on it.
 
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