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Dariusz J.
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Steve Greffen
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Yeah...Bubba Watson is juiced!
On a 7700-yard course, those guys need to swing hard off the tee in order to get good birdie looks. I wouldn't want to be trying to bust 3-irons into some of those pins, on those devilish greens.
Fatigue, both physical and mental, is probably a factor at this point. The cold and windy conditions are not helping either. Very easy to get dehydrated and sluggish; concentration starts to wane.
I really get a big kick out of listening to the swing-fetishists piss and moan about ball-striking. It's just so weird. I guess I don't understand the perpetual quest to discredit the skill and effort of those who have made it to the game's highest level.
Fatigue, both physical and mental, is probably a factor at this point. The cold and windy conditions are not helping either. Very easy to get dehydrated and sluggish; concentration starts to wane.
I really get a big kick out of listening to the swing-fetishists piss and moan about ball-striking. It's just so weird. I guess I don't understand the perpetual quest to discredit the skill and effort of those who have made it to the game's highest level.
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While I do think that the quest for distance is getting out of hand, I tend to agree with GPM. It's a long course, and conditions did look pretty rough out there. I have a DVD of Shell's Wonderful World of Golf from 1963 of Nicklaus vs Snead at Pebble Beach. Snead was hitting it all over creation. He sliced it clear across the road running next to the first hole. This is Sam Snead we're talking about here. But he always recovered, and put himself in position to make par. There are only so many Hogan's, Trevino's, and Norman's that come along. Some day's ordinary men just have to take a mighty whack, steer it around the course and hope for the best. Hell, Arnold Palmer made a career out of it. Mickelson too. Maybe Mickelson couldn't hit a fairway to save his kids, but he'll damn sure be a hall of famer. There's more to the game then fairways and greens.
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D, I gotta give you credit. For someone who's first language is not english, you sure have come up with your own little set of code words/phrases.
"...distance over accuracy and solid ballstriking" is code for - you suck if you miss a fairway or a green. The ultimate accuracy is getting a 1.68" ball into a 4.25" hole. No pictures are on the score card. Start the hole here, the cup is over there, get there as quickly and efficiently as you can. Oh, and you can't have killer distance without hitting it solidly.
"Media and sponsors prefer freaks instead of true artists" is code for - anyone over Hogan's petite size is a knuckle dragging Neanderthal. The media and sponsors are the ones making it possible for you to tune in on the net. Golf is entertainment, and entertainment is not a field of 64 Corey Pavins. Let's hope that golf doesn't go back to the days where pros had to car pool from event to event. Professional golf is open to anyone, period. Any true artist out there is fully welcome to compete provided he can do what matters most.
"I stopped watching tennis..." is code for (two things) - Hogan didn't play tennis, and Federer made a commercial with Tiger. If you truly haven't been watching tennis lately, you've only missed the greatest player to ever play.
"The worst is that many seem to like it" is code for - ignorant Post-Hogan Americans with your long courses, corporate tents, and wide fairways.
"We shall have doping issues in golf soon" is code for - power/speed training is synonymous with "needle training". Come one, that sounds more like the old Eastern Block Olympic teams than 145 lbs professional golfers.
"I want to be a bad prophet" is code for - I'm right, you know I'm right, and I know I'm right.
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I just see some good natured ribbing--no threats.
In every era there are long whackers of the ball that could play, they had short games also, What's the big deal? If Hogan was in his prime right now he would take advantage of all the equipment available to him and if that made him a whacker of the ball i'm sure you would be jumping up and down cheering him on. It's all relative, if your a short hitter it doesn't matter what you do, your still going to be a short hitter compared to a long hitter, duh!
Your point is irrelevant there's always going to be longer hitters , get used to it, that's life, and if they are on the PGA tour i think they have just a little bit of talent in all aspects of the game. What do you want? everybody to be the same. Different golfers bring different talents and skills, that's part of it, if someone feel's it's unfair they don't have to compete, they can just complain from the sidelines.
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D,
First of all... everyone here is able to share and defend their opinion.
Second of all... I don't pretend to be objective, nor should you.
Third of all... Exercise your right to post or not to post, totally up to you. But please quit quitting the forum based on your perception of "threats and silly attacks." You swear off this place like once a month. There is a flip side to dishing it out.
Fourth of all... Don't fly the victim flag the first time folks disagree with your pov.
Fifth of all (and most important)... nothing I say is meant to be malicious. You poo-poo modern golf whenever the opportunity arises, surely you cannot be surprised that someone will disagree with that. Styles differ, but I cannot believe you believe you have been attacked. I'm not biting.
First of all... everyone here is able to share and defend their opinion.
Second of all... I don't pretend to be objective, nor should you.
Third of all... Exercise your right to post or not to post, totally up to you. But please quit quitting the forum based on your perception of "threats and silly attacks." You swear off this place like once a month. There is a flip side to dishing it out.
Fourth of all... Don't fly the victim flag the first time folks disagree with your pov.
Fifth of all (and most important)... nothing I say is meant to be malicious. You poo-poo modern golf whenever the opportunity arises, surely you cannot be surprised that someone will disagree with that. Styles differ, but I cannot believe you believe you have been attacked. I'm not biting.
This is a fun debate. My two cents? I think mgranato is making a straw man argument when he claims that Dariusz is advocating fields of 64 Corey Pavins. Imagine if, 25 years ago, the USGA and R&A forced golfers to stick with persimmon woods and balata balls. Tiger Woods still would have happened. HDTV still would have happened. And a huge flood of baby boomers still would have begun to retire and take up golf. In this alternative scenario, professional golf still would have been enormously lucrative. So there's definitely a strong case to be made that the USGA and R&A should have done exactly that.
I definitely lean more in favor of Dariusz and John Erickson than mgranato on this one.
I definitely lean more in favor of Dariusz and John Erickson than mgranato on this one.
If everyone was still playing persimmon and balata and Tiger still happened, what's the difference?, there still is going to be Bubba and J.B. and Justin.. and Cory and all the other's are still shorter and struggling more out of the rough with a 4 iron than Phil with an 8 iron.This is the reality and the other scenario is wishful thinking and living in the past.
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