difference between ball and no ball
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Frans@France
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I can not execute the same swing with and without a ball. The swing with the ball is much more commited as I know the impact will bring the speed of the clubhead down to a normal level that can be controlled/survived without injury 
Virtuoso
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My understanding is that on a practice swing that feels like your regular swing, the clubface is significantly more open in the impact zone....something huge like 15 to 17 degrees. I believe that was for amateurs, not pros.
If that is true, then that suggests there is a very specific psychological component associated with the physical timings/movements....which then suggests that the best teachers have to be competent in analyzing the actual movements AND familiar with the psychological tricks that incentivize the proper movements by the student.
....and, it would be interesting to see the other components of the release phase in the practice swing (say path and dynamic loft, etc, etc), especially if we can assume that closure rate of the face can be corelated with un-hinging of the club.....because we may find that amatuers hold the angle longer in the practice swing and start the closure later. Maybe those two components need to be de-coupled to improve their ball striking? What does this mean?
Well, if we think closure rates don't vary much between pros and amatuers, but we know that pros hold the angle a little longer.....but still hook the ball, then perhaps the relationship between un-hinging and closing the face is specifically different for advanced players versus choppers.
What do I really mean by all this? Maybe it's not necessarily all about the difference in closure RATES, but rather WHEN a certain closure rate begins to achieve a square face at impact for that particular golfer.
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birly-shirly
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So, the old saw, if I could only hit it with my practice swing, is - precisely - wrong.
People think they're making a smooth, graceful, balanced practice swing. So much so, that they make 6 of them. And all the while, they're ingraining the feel of a half-speed, push-slice - in all likelihood with a mis-placed lowpoint. Tough game this.
People think they're making a smooth, graceful, balanced practice swing. So much so, that they make 6 of them. And all the while, they're ingraining the feel of a half-speed, push-slice - in all likelihood with a mis-placed lowpoint. Tough game this.
Virtuoso
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I think that might very well be true, BUT I think the real problem with the "if I could only..." statement is that there is absolutely no metric to determine how good it would have been. It might have been a smooth "on balance" swing motion, but it could have also been a smooth, on-balance, chinese hook into the ball washer. When you said "mis-placed lowpoint," that really captures the essence of the problem.
Exactly. The "My practice swing is perfect if I could only do it with the ball there" adage is a myth. A beautifully balanced swing with a wide open club face produces a beautifully balanced slice.
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