Do you trust your swing this much...?

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ColinMB

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In my ongoing quest to attack the ball with an inside swing, I often like to look at Vijay's swing. It's one of my favorites.

Last winter my instructor tried to get me to trust my swing enough to leave the club this far behind him (as opposed to the over the top chop!)

Vijay w/Driver:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US2wb0f_Nbg

I just can't believe how inside he gets on the ball with driver. Like I said, this past winter when my instructor was trying to get me to leave the clubhead this far behind me.... I swore there was NO WAY I could hit the ball. It feels like you have to wait...forever. I think it takes serious trust to do commit to that move. The club head crosses his elbow on the way down... and he just seems to wait for it (doesn't turn shoulders open too quickly).

Anyway, I'm working hard on getting this inside the ball now that NSA has made me more aware and successful at closing the face at impact. I realize (as per my other thread) that getting too inside causes me brutal strikes with the iron though. ;)

Just had to put that swing up. I still love it, and there's a lot I try to emulate in it from the take away down to the twist at impact (he loses his right hand on drives a lot).
 
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Chris Sturgess

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It seems amazing to you because you are used to throwing your hands and upper body immediately from the top and Vijay is much looser and in no hurry up there which is a better way to do it. But really it's not a big deal. All you have to realize is that what you have been doing is the thing that is actually crazy. It's like the difference between a guy who walks down the street flexing his arms intensely on every step versus a guy who just walks normally. But I understand you have to give up what you think is control by not forcing it over the top, just like the flexed arm walker would have to.

Sergio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z_F0svhA7w&feature=related
 
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For me, the key to achieving excellent downsewing alignments was found mainly in the correct understanding and use of the hips. Less accomplished players attempt to use shoulders and arms to achieve the correct alignments, but without the correct hip pivot, consistency will always be elusive. At least that was the case for me.
 
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ColinMB

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Chris Sturgess said:
It seems amazing to you because you are used to throwing your hands and upper body immediately from the top and Vijay is much looser and in no hurry up there which is a better way to do it. But really it's not a big deal. All you have to realize is that what you have been doing is the thing that is actually crazy. It's like the difference between a guy who walks down the street flexing his arms intensely on every step versus a guy who just walks normally. But I understand you have to give up what you think is control by not forcing it over the top, just like the flexed arm walker would have to.

Sergio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z_F0svhA7w&feature=related
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Chris, that's pretty funny, but very true. I realize on a conscious level that I don't have to flex my arms as I walk down the street. :D However, at least for now I'm only half flexing them. ;)

Trust me I've gotten a bit better. But yes I do realize what you're saying. And yea Sergio sure does have a huge drop with all of his clubs, doesn't he?


Tank, I have tons o' hip movement trust me. Sometimes too much. It does result in immense power though I agree.

I just love watching Vijay because he's a bit taller and it seems to emphasize the 'wait' he has to bring the club out towards the ball.
 
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monkey

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Chris Sturgess said:
It seems amazing to you because you are used to throwing your hands and upper body immediately from the top and Vijay is much looser and in no hurry up there which is a better way to do it. But really it's not a big deal. All you have to realize is that what you have been doing is the thing that is actually crazy. It's like the difference between a guy who walks down the street flexing his arms intensely on every step versus a guy who just walks normally. But I understand you have to give up what you think is control by not forcing it over the top, just like the flexed arm walker would have to.

Sergio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z_F0svhA7w&feature=related
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Chris, actually a very funny post, but it is (or at least it seems) like a big deal for those of us that have been throwing the hands and upper body forever.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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ColinMB said:
In my ongoing quest to attack the ball with an inside swing, I often like to look at Vijay's swing. It's one of my favorites.

Last winter my instructor tried to get me to trust my swing enough to leave the club this far behind him (as opposed to the over the top chop!)

Vijay w/Driver:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US2wb0f_Nbg

I just can't believe how inside he gets on the ball with driver. Like I said, this past winter when my instructor was trying to get me to leave the clubhead this far behind me.... I swore there was NO WAY I could hit the ball. It feels like you have to wait...forever. I think it takes serious trust to do commit to that move. The club head crosses his elbow on the way down... and he just seems to wait for it (doesn't turn shoulders open too quickly).

Anyway, I'm working hard on getting this inside the ball now that NSA has made me more aware and successful at closing the face at impact. I realize (as per my other thread) that getting too inside causes me brutal strikes with the iron though. ;)

Just had to put that swing up. I still love it, and there's a lot I try to emulate in it from the take away down to the twist at impact (he loses his right hand on drives a lot).
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No offense, but nobody other than VJ should be that inside on the downswing. It is the reason why he plays drivers that are OVER 5* OPEN to counteract how much he is delofting the club by swinging inside out.

It might be a good "Feel" for an over the topper MAYBE but don't try to swing like him
 
dashfan87

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Jim Kobylinski said:
No offense, but nobody other than VJ should be that inside on the downswing. It is the reason why he plays drivers that are OVER 5* OPEN to counteract how much he is delofting the club by swinging inside out.

It might be a good "Feel" for an over the topper MAYBE but don't try to swing like him
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I'm no pro... but i was thinking that same thing... I mean, I didn't know just how open his drivers were, but dang... he is one flexable man to get it THAT inside.
Plus these guys have constant attention from club fitters and monitors, they know exactly what they need, where as we (the normal public) do not have that luxury. and coming that inside, would be detrimental.
 
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Ya man that dude's got a very good backswing.........and a very nice looking swing...........and he's a good ballstriker (more inconsistent these days though?).......

But ya.........he gets er way back there eh.......way inside.

I dunno how he maintains such good trigger delay from there. Lots of handspeed to close er at the last second, I guess.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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the reason why he maintains it so well (usually anyway) is because he hits so many balls. I'm willing to bet as he gets older and can't hit as many balls his swing and game will deteriorate at an exponential rate which is sad because his swing is so fluid and filled with great temp.
 
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Jim Kobylinski said:
the reason why he maintains it so well (usually anyway) is because he hits so many balls. I'm willing to bet as he gets older and can't hit as many balls his swing and game will deteriorate at an exponential rate which is sad because his swing is so fluid and filled with great temp.
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my guess, is that he will find a way to play into his 50s... maybe not for a long time... but he will play into his 50s.

I dont see him fizzing out like seve or the shark.
 
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BurnItUp

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Just a second

Although Vijay has the club significantly laid off during the initial stages of his downswing he is as on plane as anyone when his hands are at hip height.

Pause the clip after 23 seconds and see for yourself.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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BurnItUp said:
Although Vijay has the club significantly laid off during the initial stages of his downswing he is as on plane as anyone when his hands are at hip height.

Pause the clip after 23 seconds and see for yourself.
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You can be perfectly on plane and still have a very inside/out impact
 
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Chris Sturgess

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If he is saying that because the plane could be pointed right of the target line then that is the silliest thing I've ever heard. It is obviously assumed that being on plane means a plane that is along the target line.


In the second part of his downswing, aka the part that matters, Vijay is on plane and does not have an inside out impact.
 
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holeout

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What Jim is saying is that you could draw a perfectly straight plane line (that is aimed "at the target" and not "out to right field") and still have an inside-out impact. A ton of forward shaft lean would be the cause of this.

Don't believe me (or Brian or Jim)? Trackman backs this up.
 
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