does TGM 'recommend' a short backswing?

[Erik_K]

Brian et al,

After watching vids of Lynn and Tom Tomasello, they have what many might consider 3/4 moves, or swings in which the hands don't pass the 10 o'clock position (head at 12). I have watched ted fort bomb 300 yard drives and his arms seldom pass the 9 o'oclock position.

I will say my main swing fault (that has led to all sorts of problems) is over-swinging. That is, the right elbow is all over the place and if you couple that with an early unwinding of the hips (instead of properly dropping the arms downplane) you get fat and thin shots, slices, pulls-you name it.

I always thought as TGM has a very efficient way to do things, i.e. not many moving parts. I am really trying to shorten the move and make the swing very compact-even for the driver.

Thoughts?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Couple things:

1) hitters stop at the top (3/4ish move). Lynn and Ted are hitters.
2) Swingers stop at the end (much farther back)
3) If you have constant extensor action you will never "over swing."

 

[rwh]

A lot of overswinging is caused by getting to the "3/4" position -- hands at the shoulder -- and then lifting the hands more or less straight up in a vertical motion. This takes the clubshaft and the hands off plane.

For most players, keeping the hands on plane makes it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to overswing.

 

[birdie_man]

Jim you're right....

Extensor Action is huge.

It's tough to get much past parallel if that right arm is always tuggin on the left. Make sure you're tuggin at the top of your swing too...check on it.

 

[tongzilla]

There are several types of overswinging:
1) turning your pivot too much. A talltale sign is head swaying.
2) lifting your arms too much/hands going too far back. Like rwh said earlier, this creates an off-plane motion. Collapse of power package structure.
3) clubhead travel too long. Almost always caused by faulty Flying Wedges, namely a cocked right wrist and bent left wrist at the top.

Pop golf instruction says there should be tension between hips and shoulders at the top of the swing, so the upper body can recoil and create lots of clubhead speed. This tension is unnecessary, and is the worse advice you can give especially to those who are less physically gifted.

 

[Erik_K]

quote:Originally posted by rwh

A lot of overswinging is caused by getting to the "3/4" position -- hands at the shoulder -- and then lifting the hands more or less straight up in a vertical motion. This takes the clubshaft and the hands off plane.

For most players, keeping the hands on plane makes it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to overswing.

The plane you are refering to in this case is the plane the shaft rests on at address initially, right?

 

[NikeBlades]

quote:Originally posted by Erik_K

quote:Originally posted by rwh

A lot of overswinging is caused by getting to the "3/4" position -- hands at the shoulder -- and then lifting the hands more or less straight up in a vertical motion. This takes the clubshaft and the hands off plane.

For most players, keeping the hands on plane makes it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to overswing.

The plane you are refering to in this case is the plane the shaft rests on at address initially, right?

Ideally it should be the Turned Shoulder Plane that the hands are on. This is the recommended plane. See 10-6-0 if you have the book on the explainations.
Alex