drills for a flat backswing

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shootin4par

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anyone have any good drills for a flat backswing. It is crazy but I can put three shafts togethor, which makes them almost six feet tall, stick that in the ground, and as soon as I get above that I flip to the inside. If you need more information then that just let me know, I just need to find a drill to take care of this becauase I am too flat and too deep to maintain the lag into impact.
 
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My favorite which works for me everytime:

swing a club with your back to a wall. start with a short iron and don't hit the wall. it's going to feel VERY STEEP coming from a flat backswing
 
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quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

My favorite which works for me everytime:

swing a club with your back to a wall. start with a short iron and don't hit the wall. it's going to feel VERY STEEP coming from a flat backswing
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Currently I can do that, the problem comes when I try to hit a ball and the big fault automatically kicks in
 
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shootin4par

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

On the backswing:

Lift your arms enough to "show your underarms"

or at least feel some air blow inside your sleeves.
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bman, would this elimate the feeling of pressure in pressure point number 4 if I lift my arms up like that?
 
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If you "show your underarms", isn't that contradictory to keeping a clubhead-cover under your left armpit? Also, if overcooked, wouldn't that create a flying right elbow?
 
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swingeasttowest

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Stick the butt end of your club inside your left armpit. Hold the shaft with your left hand. Pivot and turn. Right hand is off the club........
 
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BigBadDonkey

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Do you feel you lift your arms enough (straight up with a pivot from body) ? If you do it could be a wrist problem? I didn't really understand the 3 shafts, 6 feet thing...
 
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ej20

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quote:Originally posted by shootin4par

anyone have any good drills for a flat backswing. It is crazy but I can put three shafts togethor, which makes them almost six feet tall, stick that in the ground, and as soon as I get above that I flip to the inside. If you need more information then that just let me know, I just need to find a drill to take care of this becauase I am too flat and too deep to maintain the lag into impact.
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Get your thumbs pointing up towards the sky as soon as possible on the backswing and keep them pointing up.
 
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shootin4par

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Swing east, I am trying to get a good drill where I can also hit balls, I appreciate the response though.

Mr. Donkey, no i do not lift my arms up enough, left arm is on shoulder plane at the top, which would not be bad but I also let the forearm rotate too much and making it way too flat and deep. The three shaft thing, I have three shafts and a hole in the gips so I can put all three shafts inside each other, which makes them about 6 feet tall. I place that behind me when i swing and if I go inside too far I will hit the shafts with my club, so I have to go above them, but as soon as it does it flips inside

EJ. Thanks but that thought would encourage me to set my wrists early, whish is something that I dont want to do.
 
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BigBadDonkey

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On the backswing, try and 'cover' the ball with your right palm for as long as possible... feel like it points straight down at the ball. Make sure you apply extensor action to a certain extent, also.
 
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shootin4par

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quote:Originally posted by billmckinneygolf

What's so bad about a flat backswing? Maybe that's a symptom of your real problem. Maybe not.
Post the video.
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a backswing that is too flat and too deep will make it much harder to maintain lag, maybe I can post a video in a week or so.
 
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ej20

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quote:Originally posted by shootin4par

Swing east, I am trying to get a good drill where I can also hit balls, I appreciate the response though.

Mr. Donkey, no i do not lift my arms up enough, left arm is on shoulder plane at the top, which would not be bad but I also let the forearm rotate too much and making it way too flat and deep. The three shaft thing, I have three shafts and a hole in the gips so I can put all three shafts inside each other, which makes them about 6 feet tall. I place that behind me when i swing and if I go inside too far I will hit the shafts with my club, so I have to go above them, but as soon as it does it flips inside

EJ. Thanks but that thought would encourage me to set my wrists early, whish is something that I dont want to do.
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Thumbs up doesn't necessarily mean that you will set too early.Have you tried the twistaway?This gets the thumbs pointed up as well but with a gradual set of the wrist rather than a sudden one.

You also need to know where in the backswing you are too flat in order to fix it.All sorts of sh!t happens during your back stroke.I think Trevino went from steep at the beginning to flatter at the top.Whatever floats your boat is the correct plane.
 
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shootin4par

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I posted the reason the other day and many people read it and no one responded so I deleted it. I will write it again.

lets be extreme, that is the best way for illustrations. In this example we will have two backswing positions, One is completely upright where the shaft is vertical, the grip is in a straight line from the clubhead to the ground(we will call this 0 degree backswing). the other position is horizontal whaere the clubhead and grip are both the same distance above the ground(call this 90*)

if we reach the top of the backswing at 0* and start our transition, the club can litterally drop at the the speed of gravity, and your hands will not be moving much faster then this, if it all. so no force, or very little is required by you to get the club in the slotted position. Now in the 90* position the club cannot drop in the transition, if it does then you are very screwed. Also, our muscles must be tighter to stop the clubhead from falling closer to the ground and any movement back towards the ball will be ONLY directed by the person swinging the club. when we make the club move it will start releasing shortly after, unless we hold back which would not be ideal in the golf swing. So the more vertical we are at the top the easier it is for the club to drop and the further we can get in the downswing untill our force starts releasing the club. Now it does not mean we should swing at 0* but there is a point where we get too close to 90 and from there it woud be very difficult to recover. One solution to a really flat backswing would be to let the left elbow bend a little, but that is an adjustment that should not be necessary in a golf swing.
 
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ej20

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Trevino at the top is in what you call the "90 degree backswing" position and he has no problem with lag.

One thing though,good players who are flat at the top generally have an even flatter elbow plane downswing.
 
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quote:Originally posted by ej20

Trevino at the top is in what you call the "90 degree backswing" position and he has no problem with lag.

One thing though,good players who are flat at the top generally have an even flatter elbow plane downswing.
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I would really like to see a picture of that, My bet is that one does not exist

look in this thread http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/fo...516&whichpage=1&SearchTerms=lee,trevino,swing you will find some links to his swing in there, NONE of those are ever close to what I called 90 degrees
 
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