Driver Woes

[jbrunk]

I need some help figuring out my driver. After a dream summer of playing golf, I am starting to have driver problems. I am pull-drawing the driver and 3 wood too much now. My irons are the best they have ever been and they are straight-soft draw, but the last three rounds the tee box has cost me 12 penalty shots.

Thoughts???

 

[Jay845]

I am interested in any thoughts as well, as you pretty much describe my situation right now. Irons and wedges are great, but the Driver and 3 wood are pull draws as well. I can play with this ball flight, but it is a little scary

 

[softconsult]

Only describing my experience. I would not describe my Driver misses as Pull-Draws, more like smothered hooks. I know why I do this. When I don't get my lower body going first, the upper body takes over. Happens to me mostly late in a round when I get a little leg weary. When it happens early in the round, my mind takes over for a couple of holes and I want to committ suicide.

It's been much better for me lately as I have been focusing on coiling the core, and not overdoing the arm swing on the backswing. Also focusing on the swing key Brian gave me for the Driver. For me it is think High Fade.

 

[Shot Limit]

Only describing my experience. I would not describe my Driver misses as Pull-Draws, more like smothered hooks. I know why I do this. When I don't get my lower body going first, the upper body takes over. Happens to me mostly late in a round when I get a little leg weary. When it happens early in the round, my mind takes over for a couple of holes and I want to committ suicide.

It's been much better for me lately as I have been focusing on coiling the core, and not overdoing the arm swing on the backswing. Also focusing on the swing key Brian gave me for the Driver. For me it is think High Fade.

2nd that. Same problem and same solution, particularly late in a round.

 

[curtisj76]

jbrunk, were you using NHA earlier? Just wondering if you could put some of "that" back into your driver swing.

 

[Burner]

jbrunk and Jay845,

Aim further right of the target and draw it back into the fairway.

Seems that you are both target oriented from the tee and any draw then is bound to go left as the closed to path club face points that way.

 

[alexlimco]

jbrunk and Jay845,

Aim further right of the target and draw it back into the fairway.

Seems that you are both target oriented from the tee and any draw then is bound to go left as the closed to path club face points that way.

Agreed. In the latest 10 Things video, BM recommends that we aim twice the amount right than we normally think we need to. Tried that, works mostly but the misses are downright ugly.

 

[jbrunk]

jbrunk and Jay845,

Aim further right of the target and draw it back into the fairway.

Seems that you are both target oriented from the tee and any draw then is bound to go left as the closed to path club face points that way.

These are big pulls though, 30-40 straight left sometimes with a little draw tail. I don't think aiming more right is going to fix the problem.

 

[spktho]

Sounds like a plane issue with the driver maybe coupled with too much twistaway. I too struggle with the driver alternating between low hooks and high slices when it gets bad. I have found when this happens, I am swinging under plane or too far right. It sounds to me like you may be above plane and carrying the arms too much or swinging too far left.

 

[Burner]

These are big pulls though, 30-40 straight left sometimes with a little draw tail. I don't think aiming more right is going to fix the problem.

Then its path and face you should be working on, maybe.

Could there be a little OTT involved?

When you are next on the range, try aiming way right and try to hook it off the planet. But, make sure you hit the ball before going down that Yellow Brick Road.

 

[gravity003]

May try just moving the ball back in your stance. Club could already be closed and moving left at impact. Ball only needs to be about 2 balls widths forward of irons for drivers.

 

[softconsult]

Years ago I attended a week long course in Problem Solving (Kepner-Tregoe )as I recall. This was without a doubt the most stressful brain workout I have ever encountered. One of the underlying fundamentals was that first you have to understand the problem. The method, of course, relied on written problem description. Trust me, the description of a problem is a very, very tough thing to pull off. These were management problems. The description of a golf swing problem would have been a show stopper due to the complexity. If the description is incorrect or incomplete, then there is a high chance solution will be wrong. Once you understand the problem you have to write it down. This introduces even more potential for error.

This is exactly the problem with many of these threads. A problem is posted with a normally brief description. Like this one. Then you get all kinds of remedies, like just move the ball back. Not picking on this particular solution, but it strikes me as just another compensation that may cause yet another problem.

I'm just making an observation this morning as I drink my coffee. It is fun, but personally, I'm not rushing out to implement some of this stuff.

 

[Burner]

Caffeine overload?

Years ago I attended a week long course in Problem Solving (Kepner-Tregoe )as I recall. This was without a doubt the most stressful brain workout I have ever encountered. One of the underlying fundamentals was that first you have to understand the problem. The method, of course, relied on written problem description. Trust me, the description of a problem is a very, very tough thing to pull off. These were management problems. The description of a golf swing problem would have been a show stopper due to the complexity. If the description is incorrect or incomplete, then there is a high chance solution will be wrong. Once you understand the problem you have to write it down. This introduces even more potential for error.

This is exactly the problem with many of these threads. A problem is posted with a normally brief description. Like this one. Then you get all kinds of remedies, like just move the ball back. Not picking on this particular solution, but it strikes me as just another compensation that may cause yet another problem.

I'm just making an observation this morning as I drink my coffee. It is fun, but personally, I'm not rushing out to implement some of this stuff.

Any possible solution offered has the probability of causing another problem, or simply being a compensation for some other deficiency, but this does not mean that all possible solutions should be discounted because of that. So much is obvious.

And, if the problem was understood in the first place, then a solution would, most likely, be apparent rendering the seeking of advice redundant.

Nevertheless, a start has to be made some place and simple fixes, such as moving the ball back a tad, might just be all that is needed. Bit like checking that your non-starting car has gas in it before you embark on a major engine overhaul.

Enjoy your coffee and leave the fun seeking to those who enjoy this sort of interaction.

 

[softconsult]

Aha, an immediate example of how words get mis-construed. In the the last sentence I said, "It is fun, but personally, I'm not rushing out to implement some of this stuff." To my mind this means what is says. First, it is fun. That means I enjoy it. Second, part means that I personally am not going to implement some of this stuff. That doesn't mean others shouldn't.

So Burner tells me, "Enjoy your coffee and leave the fun seeking to those who enjoy this sort of interaction." Which I take to mean that he concludes I don't like the interaction.

Interesting things happen with communication.

 

[Burner]

"Hoist with one's own petard."

Aha, an immediate example of how words get mis-construed. In the the last sentence I said, "It is fun, but personally, I'm not rushing out to implement some of this stuff." To my mind this means what is says. First, it is fun. That means I enjoy it. Second, part means that I personally am not going to implement some of this stuff. That doesn't mean others shouldn't.

So Burner tells me, "Enjoy your coffee and leave the fun seeking to those who enjoy this sort of interaction." Which I take to mean that he concludes I don't like the interaction.

Interesting things happen with communication.

This is good coming from a guy whose gist is that others cannot make themselves understood sufficient to obtain a reasonable answer to the questions they might raise.

How does one spell hypocrite?

 

[niblick1]

jbrunk-

I saw the comments about how low the pros tee their driver. I have been hitting my driver badly in recent weeks and tried teeing it down some and that actually really straightened it out. I guess because it enforces some d-plane control. ever tried that ?