I'm trying this winter to resolve an issue I've had the past two years. I have a problem of dropping the club during transition, coming under the plane and flipping the club. The result of this move is typically a pretty bad hook. My miss is left and I'd love to be able to take the left side out of play. Does anyone who has fought this problem, or anyone else have some good ideas as to what I can do to make sure I don't drop under plane.... First guy to get me to stop hooking wins a free round of golf next time you're in Georgia... Thanks
dropping under the plane.....
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rwh
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In an effort to get "Axis Tilt", it sounds like you're improperly tilting your Right Shoulder -- i.e., if you're facing north, your Right Shoulder is tilting directly down toward the east. As Yoda has said, this is a perversion of Axis Tilt. The correct movement of the Right Shoulder is Down the Inclined Plane -- that stops the dipping and dropping of the club under plane. If you keep the Right Shoulder On-Plane, it's pretty difficult to have the club go under the plane.
A good drill is the "thera-band" drill. Have someone step on one end of a theraband at the location of the inside aft quadrant of the ball. Wrap the other end around the #3PP. Go to the Top. The thera-band shows you visually the line on which you want to move your right shoulder and hands directly Down Planeto the inside aft quadrant of the ball.
That is a round of golf at Augusta National, isn't it?
From Ga! (I live here, was not born here, kidnapped)
Not to put words in Yoda's mouth but although he liked my backswing/grip, he did not like my down swing!
I tend to, no, I have too much forward hip movement. First thing he jumped on. Result is too much axis tilt as I start down, dropping club below plane.......(I have been known to get right elbow stuck behind right hip). Yoda demonstrated the proper pivot, both back and forward. My interpretations (lateral movement were zero back {right}, just a little forward {left}. I didn't have much success, while with him, making a correct down swing pivot. ( I wanted to spend most of my limited time clarifying the Book).
As golfers are prone to do I have been trying to find a change to make to my address and/or my backswing to cause me to make a proper down swing (much less hip slide).
Perhaps I have found the answer-less knee bend at address? Seems w/ very little knee bend I have very little forward hip slide and axis tilt at transition!? Is qualifying school over?
I specifically asked Yoda about axis tilt at address, how much. Again, not putting words in his mouth, I think I heard him say he was not a fan of axis tilt at address!?
Jim Kobylinski
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Easy fix:
1) make sure you have the proper tilt at address, how do you do that? Easy: after you are done with your setup and are about ready to take your backswing, TAKE OFF YOUR RIGHT HAND GRIP. It should now be parallel with your left hand which is gripped on the club. Now drop your right shoulder DOWN until the right hand fits on the club. This is proper tilt at address in my opinion.
2) To get the proper tilt through impact is also easy...use some lasers and trace a straight plane line. I have a hunch you'll be pointing way outside of it and this is causing your stuck position. If you can trace a straight plane line and not lose your tush line from an improper pivot or balance issue you'll never get stuck. i promise.
1) make sure you have the proper tilt at address, how do you do that? Easy: after you are done with your setup and are about ready to take your backswing, TAKE OFF YOUR RIGHT HAND GRIP. It should now be parallel with your left hand which is gripped on the club. Now drop your right shoulder DOWN until the right hand fits on the club. This is proper tilt at address in my opinion.
2) To get the proper tilt through impact is also easy...use some lasers and trace a straight plane line. I have a hunch you'll be pointing way outside of it and this is causing your stuck position. If you can trace a straight plane line and not lose your tush line from an improper pivot or balance issue you'll never get stuck. i promise.
Brian Manzella
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AAA+++ answer, Jim!
Jim Kobylinski
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Thanks brian...but you should be thanking yourself as i only understand what i do now because of you. I can't wait to come back down and work some more.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
The degree of Axis Tilt required during the Startdown is established at Impact Fix. And that Tilt is correctly established not by an independent 'dropping' of the Right Shoulder, but by the pre-selected amount of Downstroke Hip Turn/Slide. This, in turn, determines the amount of Knee Bend necessary for the Right Forearm to point at the Plane Line (Right Forearm Angle of Approach) and for the Hands to achieve their visual 'Over the Left Foot' Impact Location. Substituting a Shoulder Motion or a Knee Motion for what is properly a Hip Motion leads, at best, to a Compensated Stroke. At worst, these malfunctioning Pivot Components -- Zone 1 disruptions -- render the Hands (Zone 3) incapable of maintaining the essentially Geometry of the Stroke.
Iowagolfpr
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Thank you for a great answer. Every day that I come to this forum I learn something of great value.
Jim, your comment about tush line makes sense. Two issues with my swing that I've seen on video, I drop underneath the plane, also I lose my "tush line" hips move towards the ball and I tend to stand up coming into impact losing my spine angle, while coming into the ball under plane.
rwh, Wally, and Jim, thanks all for the tips, the one about the right shoulder tilting east seems to make sense....
Yoda/holenone, any chance, we could get together?? I desperately need the help!
Thanks
rwh, Wally, and Jim, thanks all for the tips, the one about the right shoulder tilting east seems to make sense....
Yoda/holenone, any chance, we could get together?? I desperately need the help!
Thanks
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