Dynamic Pivots?

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ggsjpc

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I've been reading a bunch lately about how centered pivot methods have non dynamic pivots.

I may be embellishing a tad but I think you get my drift.

I saw these and was curious if the group felt they were non dynamic.

I think they seem quite dynamic.(especially the first one)

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lia41985

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How about this guy ? Sawed off finish in the eyes of some , none of that one last point bidness

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq4WP50ovr8[/media]

some right hand toss I will pay

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nCuPJjoeWc&feature=related[/media]
Same guy:
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natep

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Or this, from 1946, after his "secret", but before his accident, when he said he was playing his best:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niBSCaC3E2k[/media]
 
Or this, from 1946, after his "secret", but before his accident, when he said he was playing his best:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niBSCaC3E2k[/media]

I liked his swing then as well but he sure wasn't flopping around all over the place like these hammer throwers, and comparing driver swings to iron swings is about the same by the reckoning of some.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJdChWnxDvU[/media]
 
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lia41985

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6 iron. Straightest/Farthest Bennett/Plummer Pattern. 3 yard push draw.
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So that's the dynamism that comes with the straightest/farthest Stack and Tilt pattern...
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How about a dynamic mid-iron swing?:
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Jim McLean, No. 4 on the Golf Digest list, said: “I’m sorry, but there is weight shift and lateral motion in a lot of great golf swings. That’s just a fact.”
From: Plenty of Give and Take On Stack and Tilt, a Swing System - NYTimes.com
 

ggsjpc

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lia41985,

I'm sorry, I missed your reply to the question of the pivots that were presented.

Surely you agree that we can all find non dynamic pivots represented in as many patterns as there are.
 
Please show me where I have ever said one pattern is better than another.

Please show me where you've gushed over a non centered pivot before. I think these swings look okay for these individuals but not necessarily for everyone.

Again not committing to how these examples would fair but these swings could possibly get even more dynamic and better without the focus on the center pivot.
 

lia41985

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John,
My point was that in an attempt to stay centered these swings will always limit the amount of dynamism they have compared to swings the get the weight off the left foot. I never look at a MORAD/Stack and Tilt/"Centered" swing and think that it looks dynamic or that the ball striking is amazingly precise. I do sometimes find myself impressed by these golfers flexibility though!
 

TaylorMadeAP25

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Please show me where you've gushed over a non centered pivot before. I think these swings look okay for these individuals but not necessarily for everyone.

Again not committing to how these examples would fair but these swings could possibly get even more dynamic and better without the focus on the center pivot.


This would be from the Lindsay Gahm Thread from not to long ago.
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Originally Posted by TaylorMadeAP25
"Is her college coach going to want her to adapt to what he or she likes in a golf swing? hopefully not "
Bmanz Said,
"I think he is smart enough to know better. He is a good putting teacher, and she is improving there."

What makes a players swing more dynamic??
 
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lia41985

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What makes a players swing dynamic in your eye?
This could be a sticky, especially with all the debates as of late:
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Brian Manzella

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I looked at all the swings.

I liked Hogan. I liked Garcia.

I saw some good things in the other swings, but they do not look as good to me.

That's my opinion.

The S&Ters, the moradists, and the book literalists (funny it is always these three groups) probably disagree.

It is all just a hypothesis until we can ALL do some legit data collection and testing. Then we can say we have a theory.

I'd say, why don't all those above groups just go teach their stuff and I go teach mine.

And let the future history books decide.

And btw, that "one last point bidness" is something that Nicklaus often did, and I teach to those who need it.

For now, let's all just agree to disagree, and John G., thanks for the thread starter when I am on the road, bro. :rolleyes:
 
I looked at all the swings.

I liked Hogan. I liked Garcia.

I saw some good things in the other swings, but they do not look as good to me.

That's my opinion.

The S&Ters, the moradists, and the book literalists (funny it is always these three groups) probably disagree.

It is all just a hypothesis until we can ALL do some legit data collection and testing. Then we can say we have a theory.

I'd say, why don't all those above groups just go teach their stuff and I go teach mine.



And let the future history books decide.

And btw, that "one last point bidness" is something that Nicklaus often did, and I teach to those who need it.

For now, let's all just agree to disagree, and John G., thanks for the thread starter when I am on the road, bro. :rolleyes:

Probably forgot where he posted it...nah.
 
This would be from the Lindsay Gahm Thread from not to long ago.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TaylorMadeAP25
"Is her college coach going to want her to adapt to what he or she likes in a golf swing? hopefully not "
Bmanz Said,
"I think he is smart enough to know better. He is a good putting teacher, and she is improving there."

What makes a players swing more dynamic??

Well then you are not a strict S T follower I guess, just a large admirer of the pattern.
 
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SteveT

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I looked at all the swings.

I liked Hogan. I liked Garcia.

I saw some good things in the other swings, but they do not look as good to me.

That's my opinion.

The S&Ters, the moradists, and the book literalists (funny it is always these three groups) probably disagree.

It is all just a hypothesis until we can ALL do some legit data collection and testing. Then we can say we have a theory.

I'd say, why don't all those above groups just go teach their stuff and I go teach mine.

And let the future history books decide.

And btw, that "one last point bidness" is something that Nicklaus often did, and I teach to those who need it.

For now, let's all just agree to disagree, and John G., thanks for the thread starter when I am on the road, bro. :rolleyes:

You got that right, Brian ... but when you get your Project 1.68 launched, you won't need to depend on modeling unattainable tour pro swings or explaining silly methods because you will have acquired a universal scientific basis to your golfswing knowledge and pedagogy.

You will be a universal golfswing teacher of teachers ... so get it all together and launch ...!!!!
 
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