Effect of Equipement

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quote:Originally posted by Ringer

I'm currious what TGM says about how equipment effects the golfer (not the ball).

Homer didn't like flex in shafts since you properly strike the ball with the whole club, shaft and clubhead. Good TGM golfers are always stiff ! :D
 
I thought Homer wanted stiff shafts because they were more precise?
This still does answer Ringer's question. Perhaps the answer lies in Homer's comment "for lack of a longer club".
 

EdZ

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From a pure application of force, I can see Homer's view on stiff shafts. From a 'margin for error' perspective, a vast majority of folks should use softer shafts because they are easier to load and keep loaded.

Heavier swingweights, as well as total weight, would really help a lot of people IMO. Mass AND speed are both important.
 

hue

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quote:Originally posted by Ringer

I'm currious what TGM says about how equipment effects the golfer (not the ball).

Ringer: In Mr Kelley's time golf equipment was pretty basic. Persimmon head drivers and by today's standards junk steel shafts. I think this would have a bearing on his thoughts on equipment issues.
 
Actually EdZ Stiff does not equal straight IMO, primarily because of one thing... human response. The stiffer a shaft is, the less load it has. Because of this, players with too stiff of shafts attempt to make up for it in some way through their swing... primarily swinging harder, with more muscular effort, or even more of a body SPIN out. Balance and relaxation become lost in an effort to make the club do something.

I also have seen the response with stiffer shafts be to DECREASE lag approaching the ball with stiffer shafts. My hypothesis (hard to tell what is fact when it comes to human reactions) that because of the response of the club shaft to straighten out earlier in the forward swing the hands have a difficult time sensing resistance to their forward movement. As a result the intention now is to somehow square up a clubface is simply not being sensed anymore... how can you know what it's doing if it's not reacting anymore?
 
quote:Originally posted by Ringer

I also have seen the response with stiffer shafts be to DECREASE lag approaching the ball with stiffer shafts. My hypothesis (hard to tell what is fact when it comes to human reactions) that because of the response of the club shaft to straighten out earlier in the forward swing the hands have a difficult time sensing resistance to their forward movement. As a result the intention now is to somehow square up a clubface is simply not being sensed anymore... how can you know what it's doing if it's not reacting anymore?

Not being ugly, but that has to be the most grammaticaly confusing and poorly formed paragraph I have ever read.

That being said there is no resistance to the hands forward movement regardless of shaft flex (Doesn't matter if you are swinging a rope or a steel rod the hands motion and sensation is the same). And it is much more difficult to time the unloading of a shaft that is too soft than one that is right or a little too stiff. It is always better to have a shaft that is properly fit, but if you are going to err, err stiff.
 
Sorry.. I was in a bit of a hurry and my mind does tend to throw words together.

So you are saying that the flex of the shaft does not change the pressure felt in the hands? I am pretty sure HK would strongly disagree.
 
Interesting read from Yoda. I have to disagree with it but it's interesting none-the-less. I've seen results quite clearly by changing shafts for people. I'll trust that over theory.
 
quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Interesting read from Yoda. I have to disagree with it but it's interesting none-the-less. I've seen results quite clearly by changing shafts for people. I'll trust that over theory.

No theory. actual results. TGM is not theory - its practical application of Geometry.
 

Doug

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quote:Originally posted by Ringer

I'm currious what TGM says about how equipment effects the golfer (not the ball).

Here is post from another board

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:00 pm Post subject: Roots -- Scientific And Mexican

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Doug wrote:


I have filled the Shaft Rx and went from DG S200 to Rifle Project X 6.5.

The heavier shafts are not only longer, they are more accurate.

Hitting proceedure is best served by an ax handle that will, as Yoda put it,
"Tear the Roots out".
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response from Yoda
And those were St. Augustine roots, as I recall!

For those wishing to accomodate their scientific nature, may I suggest you "Obliterate the Plane Line!"

Finally, as a last resort, do what Nancy Lopez's father repeatedly told her to do when she was a junior and already beating everybody in golf:

"Deeg, Nancy! Deeg!"
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Yoda
 

cdog

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This is one area i am confused about, i understand if your HITTING, the a stiff shaft flex would be wanted, but if your a swinger, what would it matter?
Example, a whippy, centrifugal force keeps the shaft straight and some pople can crush with them.
 

Doug

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quote:Originally posted by cdog

This is one area i am confused about, i understand if your HITTING, the a stiff shaft flex would be wanted, but if your a swinger, what would it matter?
Example, a whippy, centrifugal force keeps the shaft straight and some pople can crush with them.

Cdog
You are not confused.

The really stiff shafts are for hitting and controlling distance with irons.

I use swinging procedure for tee shots and have a softer shaft in my driver.
 

hue

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quote:Originally posted by Doug

quote:Originally posted by cdog

This is one area i am confused about, i understand if your HITTING, the a stiff shaft flex would be wanted, but if your a swinger, what would it matter?
Example, a whippy, centrifugal force keeps the shaft straight and some pople can crush with them.

Cdog
You are not confused.

The really stiff shafts are for hitting and controlling distance with irons.

I use swinging procedure for tee shots and have a softer shaft in my driver.
So Brian, Doug and Ringer . Do you recommend having a softer flex in the longer swinging clubs? Thanks
 
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quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Interesting read from Yoda. I have to disagree with it but it's interesting none-the-less. I've seen results quite clearly by changing shafts for people. I'll trust that over theory.

No theory. actual results. TGM is not theory - its practical application of Geometry.
I don't see how anything I have read that Yoda posted has anything to do with "Practical application of Geometry". It's quite clearly oppinion by HK.
 
quote:Originally posted by cdog

This is one area i am confused about, i understand if your HITTING, the a stiff shaft flex would be wanted, but if your a swinger, what would it matter?
Example, a whippy, centrifugal force keeps the shaft straight and some pople can crush with them.
Yet I, as a very dominant so called "swinger" have a difficult time swinging the whippy. Once I taught myself to GRADUALLY ACCELLERATE and not abruptly, then I CRUSH the ball. I have personally seen someone who averages 280 off the Tee, hit the whippy over 350 yards with a very fluid swing.
 
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