Enough already.

[wally888]

Once upon a time, this Forum was a great read!

Now I have to wade through so much B.S from arrogant, ego maniacs, I am considering eliminating this link from my Favorites.

First D.A., then Ringer, Horton, mandrin.............

Brian. Pleeeese! Or ask anyone with a grain of common sense to predict the future of this Forum if the unwanted distractions are allowed to continue.

Perhaps, if no other solutions are found/enforced, you could create a "Those in disagreement with Homer" category, deleting posts not made in the correct category.

 

[MizunoJoe]

wally,

Whenever you see a thread or post by one of the wiffle ball twins, mandrin or horton, just ABSTAIN from reading it.

I don't think Brian will resort to editing or banning, of which he has been a victim on other forums.

 

[wally888]

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

wally,

Whenever you see a thread or post by one of the wiffle ball twins, mandrin or horton, just ABSTAIN from reading it.

I don't think Brian will resort to editing or banning, of which he has been a victim on other forums.

No man is a island. Everyone needs help at times. I am here to learn what is right, not what is wrong! If this were my Forum, I would keep it clean, deleting posts that I felt added nothing to the reason for the forums existence, A poll? A new category for posts ridiculing TGM?

 

[horton]

Fellas, gals ---- Don't bury your heads in the sand in desperation. Homer would be ashamed that his adherents were so narrow minded that they would shy away from his scientific concepts. In fact I think that Homer would be open to criticism of his scientific interpretations and change his thinking so that TGM could advance. I bet that Homer would have quickly produced another updated edition of TGM to make it current with the new science available to him.

Presently, all that is happening is a bunch of struggling TGM golfers cannot accept that Homer may have been wrong in his science and are either dissing or attempting to hide from the truth. Surely there must be somebody who can re-edit TGM to remove the offending scientific gaffes. That's how science advances, while TGM seems to be stuck in the past (1982). Only the Bible is the gospel truth ... and golf evolves as knowledge spreads.

 

[fdb2]

Could " Horton " be THE Peter Dillard, moderator of the SA forum, and by all accounts a legend in his own mind?? What say you Mr. Dullard?

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by fdb2

Could " Horton " be THE Peter Dillard, moderator of the SA forum, and by all accounts a legend in his own mind?? What say you Mr. Dullard?

It is quite obvious that Horton the Who is Peter Dillard. Pete knew too much about posts on this site when he replied to mine. Unless Peter signs on here with a different handle, my guess is that Horton is Peter. In one of his posts on SA to me he made specific references to a post from here. Peter has been accussed by members of his forum to "talk to himself," so maybe Mandy is Horton and Peter too.

BTW- I do enjoy reading the SA forum but Mandy and Peter posted that maybe I ans us are looking for the truth. Far from it. I trie to steer some from folly. Check out Peter's terms he invented for the swing, hahahah. Funny stuff. I'm going to go work on my "4.5" -later.

 

[FanofHogan]

Why do we feel the need to go to other forums where it is obvious said forum is nothing about the way we approach the game of golf? This goes both ways. If a golfer is in search of the truth no matter how we may feel the path to the truth is, they will no doubt find it themselves. I see no need to go and "Recruit" people from another forum. This is like a couple of years ago at the Southern Baptist convention where they said they wanted to start actively trying to convert people from Judaism to Southern Baptists. If you want to base your game on SA, go to the SA forum. If you want to base your game on TGM, go to a TGM forum. Why the hell does it always have to break down into a childish argument like this? The only purpose this serves is to waste bandwidth and get everyone steered away from why we come here, to discuss and learn about golf. If you dont like a troll, dont feed him and he will go away.

 

[horton]

Paranoia is the first sign of cult-like close-minded thinking, when you fear the challenge to your dogmatic faith in Homer, Hogan, Jack, Moe, whoever. Obviously those who attempt to smear a new member of this fine forum are insecure in their faith and knowledge. My only hope is that Brian Manzella responds to my postings in a clear and rational manner. I appreciate the learning aspect of this forum, but I challenge TGMers to face up to Homer's incompetent presentation of Newtonian Physics as the foundation of his golfswing theories.

I can accept that TGM can be successfully taught by competent instructors who have extracted the essence of Homer from all the sham science that Homer so tragically included to justify his legitimate golfswing mechanics. Why would somebody with such excellent insights into the golfswing attempt to coat it in useless science and then reveal his technical incompetence?

That's why I sincerely believe that TGM should be edited to eliminate scientific claims and just present the facts in a clear and cogent manner. I think that would give TGM the credibility and recognition that it deserves. Golfers with a scientific background immediately recognize Homer's fake science and that causes doubt and rejection. Something must be done to sanitize TGM, which has much to offer to the advancement of the golfswing. Golfswing yes, Science NO .. !!!!!!!

 

[birdie_man]

Horton,

You may have your own opinions and that is OK. BUT I don't really care what your opinions are because I also have my own. I listen to other people and keep an open mind but what it comes down to in the end is what I think...I don't know why some of you guys (not only you) spend so much time arguing about something that is personal opinion (and to a bunch of people on the internet you don't even know for that matter). In most things in life, golf included, there is no one right answer to anything. I don't think I need to elaborate on that much more, or spend any more time arguing to people who will never give up anyway...but I will say...

...at some point you have to ask yourself, "Am I arguing because I am right or am I arguing just to start a fight, or because I don't want to be wrong." Don't let your ego get in the way.

How about we just ignore these people from now on.
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When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.

.......The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

-By posting such a message, you let the troll know that you know what he is, and that you are not going to get dragged into his twisted little hobby.
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And that's all I'm going to say about that- don't even try to get me going again because I won't say much more...GOLF AND BE HAPPY

 

[FanofHogan]

quote:Originally posted by birdie_man

Horton,

You may have your own opinions and that is OK. BUT I don't really care what your opinions are because I also have my own. I listen to other people and keep an open mind but what it comes down to in the end is what I think...I don't know why some of you guys (not only you) spend so much time arguing about something that is personal opinion (and to a bunch of people on the internet you don't even know for that matter). In most things in life, golf included, there is no one right answer to anything. I don't think I need to elaborate on that much more, or spend any more time arguing to people who will never give up anyway...but I will say...

...at some point you have to ask yourself, "Am I arguing because I am right or am I arguing just to start a fight, or because I don't want to be wrong." Don't let your ego get in the way.

How about we just ignore these people from now on.
(EXCERPT FROM http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm)
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When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.

.......The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

-By posting such a message, you let the troll know that you know what he is, and that you are not going to get dragged into his twisted little hobby.
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And that's all I'm going to say about that- don't even try to get me going again because I won't say much more...GOLF AND BE HAPPY

Amen brutha!

 

[horton]

birdie man -- Have you ever considered that I may be the only legitimately sane poster on this forum and the rest of you are just zombie-trolls who refuse to confront reality?

I think that Homer has made a significant contribution to the understanding of the golfswing with his unique approach in defining the segments and movements within the golfswing. However Homer has literally sh!t between the bedsheets with his scientific claims. Science must be proven and not only asserted in an attempt to validate one's theories. TGM is totally devoid of scientific proof even though Homer proclaims his G.O.L.F. method is based on science. This is the shortcoming that denies Homer his rightful recognition as a great observer and proponent of the TGM golfswing.

Let's get rid of the scientific crap in TGM so we can see and learn the true nature of TGM. When will TGM be re-edited to clean up the mess it's in now? Remember that I am not the issue on this forum, TGM is the issue with it's fake science claims and complex presentation.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by horton

TGM, which has much to offer to the advancement of the golfswing. Golfswing yes, Science NO .. !!!!!!!

Did I miss something, Peter? TGM is not to advance science but to teach the golfswing. When Chapter 2 and 1-L is presented in the class room, it all translates to the range. Too bad you aren't sanitized.

 

[bsbsbs]

quote:Originally posted by horton

Let's get rid of the scientific crap in TGM so we can see and learn the true nature of TGM. When will TGM be re-edited to clean up the mess it's in now? Remember that I am not the issue on this forum, TGM is the issue with it's fake science claims and complex presentation.

TGM is not the issue on this forum this is the Brian Manzella forum, maybe you would be better posting this somewhere else. if you care to read thru Brian's instructional articles you will not see a lot of quoting of TGM by reference number. A good teacher can take that information and help a student to learn. How can a book be total bunk if teachers like Chuck Evans, Brian Manzella, Yoda and others are able to use it to help golfers of all levels. I really appreciate your effort to enlighten all the misguided souls here, but since it's obvious that your having no luck why bother to waste your time, just go do it your own way and sleep well knowing your right and their wrong. Anything else infers other motives. Or could it be that since the world has seen Yoda and Brian's swing you need to try to destroy this in order to try and gather your own flock that has strayed from the pasture by witnessing the truth. You come here and try to make this look bad and you hope your little misguided sheep will come running back home. I dare you to prove me wrong by just going away, but you'll stay cause your just itching to go toe to toe with the Stallion, hate to tell you, better men than you have went down in flames to the TRUTH. Your dancing behind smoke and mirrors, you've not given one concrete fact yet. You'll never admit defeat, but it will be obvious to everyone here and to your own groupies that you've been toasted.

I FART IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION!!

 

[dale47]

"TGM is totally devoid of scientific proof even though Homer proclaims his G.O.L.F. method is based on science. This is the shortcoming that denies Homer his rightful recognition as a great observer and proponent of the TGM golfswing". Horton

Sir...you are an ass !..I rarely post on here and am still trying to grasp the TGM book. Where did you read anything about TGM being a "method".AS far anybody re-editing Mr.Kelleys work,they have NO </u>right to do so.If you find fault with or evidence disproving his works.....THEN PUBLISH THEM ! I now sit here eagerly awaiting your findings.

 

[rundmc]

quote:Originally posted by horton

birdie man -- Have you ever considered that I may be the only legitimately sane poster on this forum and the rest of you are just zombie-trolls who refuse to confront reality?

I think that Homer has made a significant contribution to the understanding of the golfswing with his unique approach in defining the segments and movements within the golfswing. However Homer has literally sh!t between the bedsheets with his scientific claims. Science must be proven and not only asserted in an attempt to validate one's theories. TGM is totally devoid of scientific proof even though Homer proclaims his G.O.L.F. method is based on science. This is the shortcoming that denies Homer his rightful recognition as a great observer and proponent of the TGM golfswing.

Let's get rid of the scientific crap in TGM so we can see and learn the true nature of TGM. When will TGM be re-edited to clean up the mess it's in now? Remember that I am not the issue on this forum, TGM is the issue with it's fake science claims and complex presentation.

Why do we have to be Trolls? There have been several people out here who have treated you like crap. I'll give you that. But not everybody. Not me. But when you and Mandrin came out here, did you expect any less? There are several AI's that post here. This is how they make their living, on TGM principles. People are going to be passionate. It's just words though. Sticks and stones and all that.

If you think the book needs a re-write, then have at it. You say the book is difficult to read. You're right, but how about all those equations Mandrin posted. Pretty difficult for some too.

You and Mandrin seem to know your science and math . . . at least better than most here. Good for you guys. But MizunoJoe asked for the 3D model about 1,000,000 times and never got a response. He also asked about the proof on loading the shaft and go crickets. How are you going to debunk TGM with math and not show that stuff?

But I would suggest learning some of the other principles before you embark on a task of saying that Homer shat the bed on science. So you disagree with the science. Cool with me.

But how about the other concepts? The three imperatives, bent and level right wrist, henging, flying wedges, etc. You don't get that stuff anywhere else. We don't understand the science. But you didn't understand what impact fix was either.

You really should do yourself a favor and have a lesson with a competent AI. Put the science stuff on hold. You will not be sorry I can promise you. Science or no science TGM is THE best way to improve golf shots. Period. End of story.

 

[birdie_man]

K I will respond to that one...

Just to clear things up...I did not show any preference towards TGM or their methods in that post. I was adressing the issue of stirring up **** in forums. Go ahead and voice your opinion, but there is more than one way to play golf...that is true whether you support TGM or not.

THAT'S IT. DONE. FINITO. [EXUENT]