Feeling vs Doing

[bullish]

I have been working hard on getting my hands into a proper position at impact.I have had some trouble conceptualizing the process and the result to this point has been my trying to ‘flip’ my flat left wrist at the ball at the last second. In other words, the face stays parallel to the plane on the downswing until the last second, then closes through the ball to a horizontal hinge on the follow through.

At the range last night I found that if I felt like the face of the club began slowly rotating back to square starting at the beginning of the downswing and continued closing at a constant rate throughout the swing, it was much easier for me to arrive at my aiming point with the face in the proper position. I have done this slowly, stopping at various points in the downswing, and the face of the club looks parallel to the plane at all points.

The results I have gotten have been great and much more consistent, but I want to know if this fits within TGM methods. It could be a feeling/doing situation were I am doing something right that feels odd or different. I am enjoying the results, but don’t want to try to ingrain something that could present long-term problems.

 

[birdie_man]

So...

Let me check this with you first to make sure I understand.

You feel a sequenced-type release, as in hitting, where the clubface closes at a constant rate throughout the downswing.

But when you look at it slowly, the clubface is parallel to the plane for most of the downswing. This sounds to me like you're setting up for a simultanious release, as in swinging??

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by bullish

I have been working hard on getting my hands into a proper position at impact.I have had some trouble conceptualizing the process and the result to this point has been my trying to ‘flip’ my flat left wrist at the ball at the last second. In other words, the face stays parallel to the plane on the downswing until the last second, then closes through the ball to a horizontal hinge on the follow through.

It isn't a flip to flat. The face strikes the ball slightly opened. It strikes the back rear inside section of the ball. The horizontal hinge actions is the clsoing of the clubface THROUGH IMPACT, not after the impact. After impact the left wrist will swivel into follow through.

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At the range last night I found that if I felt like the face of the club began slowly rotating back to square starting at the beginning of the downswing and continued closing at a constant rate throughout the swing, it was much easier for me to arrive at my aiming point with the face in the proper position. I have done this slowly, stopping at various points in the downswing, and the face of the club looks parallel to the plane at all points.

The clubshaft needs to be pulled in a linear manner along the plane line (on ground). This will keep the clubface parallel to the plane line before it releases to impact. There are several releases (Sweep and Snap variations) but the club shaft (we are talking about Swinging) needs to be pull in a line before the release.
Although the hands are quite passive, they need to release at the correct time.

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The results I have gotten have been great and much more consistent, but I want to know if this fits within TGM methods. It could be a feeling/doing situation were I am doing something right that feels odd or different. I am enjoying the results, but don’t want to try to ingrain something that could present long-term problems.

Homer always talked about the "Seems to be" What you feel and describe may not be what you are doing. Nobody can argue results. Does it feel odd?

The left flat wrist should feel like a back hand slap into impact- it onlys moves up and down- c0ck and unc0ck. (see accum#2 action) It controls the clubface and hinge action. A passive move. As the left flat wrist "slaps into impact the right bent wrist moves the clubhead into the ball. It only moves in a horizontal direction and mostly just back on the take-away and largely remains bent. It will release the bend on its own terms- just don't flip it forward. now with this flat left and bent right- go slam an impact bag and feel the power. Both Brian (pitch shots) and Lynn (impact bag) have some clips that show this move.

 

[bullish]

A quick reply that may or may not clarify what I feel. When I 'feel' that the face is constantly closing on the way down, I can bury the face in the impact bag w/ a flat left wrist. When I rely solely on last second timing, I might hit the bag w/ the toe or w/ the hosel

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by birdie_man

So...

Let me check this with you first to make sure I understand.

You feel a sequenced-type release, as in hitting, where the clubface closes at a constant rate throughout the downswing.

But when you look at it slowly, the clubface is parallel to the plane for most of the downswing. This sounds to me like you're setting up for a simultanious release, as in swinging??

Swingers, not Hitters, use a sequenced release- one accumulator after the other. Accum#3 Transfers the power of the just released accum#2.

Hitter’s use a simultaneous release- all accumulators dumped at one time- POW.

I think our friend, bullish, is cross-lining and trying to use a horizontal hinge motion, which can be done. The clubface must be opened more at address and the hinge action needs to be done through the ball not after.

 

[rwh]

quote:Originally posted by bullish

I have been working hard on getting my hands into a proper position at impact.I have had some trouble conceptualizing the process and the result to this point has been my trying to ‘flip’ my flat left wrist at the ball at the last second. In other words, the face stays parallel to the plane on the downswing until the last second, then closes through the ball to a horizontal hinge on the follow through.

At the range last night I found that if I felt like the face of the club began slowly rotating back to square starting at the beginning of the downswing and continued closing at a constant rate throughout the swing, it was much easier for me to arrive at my aiming point with the face in the proper position. I have done this slowly, stopping at various points in the downswing, and the face of the club looks parallel to the plane at all points.

The results I have gotten have been great and much more consistent, but I want to know if this fits within TGM methods. It could be a feeling/doing situation were I am doing something right that feels odd or different. I am enjoying the results, but don’t want to try to ingrain something that could present long-term problems.

The constant, continuous motion you are describing is called a "simultaneous" release, per 4-D-0 -- a constant uncocking and rolling into Impact. The other kind is called a "sequenced release" and this is where the left hand comes down in a "karate chop" position (palm down to the plane). The left wrist uncocks first, and then there is a last second swivel into Impact -- the "sequence" is uncock and then roll.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with either method, except to say that simultaneous release is used in Hitting and sequenced release is used in Swinging.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by bullish

A quick reply that may or may not clarify what I feel. When I 'feel' that the face is constantly closing on the way down, I can bury the face in the impact bag w/ a flat left wrist. When I rely solely on last second timing, I might hit the bag w/ the toe or w/ the hosel

Contrary to what many believe but there is no last second timing- it isn’t a handsy swing. It isn’t a snap of the wrists or hands. There is a rhythm of the arms and pivot. All and any releases are a re-action to the motion of the pivot and the lag it creates. Again , I’m talking about a Swing stroke. Hitters would not for most accounts, not use a Horizontal hinge action and just use the natural angled hinge action and really mash the hands, shaft, clubhead on the ball at same time.

With an impact bag, the clubface will strike the bag depending on its position. Outside low point the club his finished the hinge action, at ball position it is just beginning. Hinge action is just a few inches. And NOT timed. It is a result.

 

[rwh]

6B,

Sorry, Mike. I was working on my post and didn't see yours.

 

[birdie_man]

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

quote:Originally posted by birdie_man

So...

Let me check this with you first to make sure I understand.

You feel a sequenced-type release, as in hitting, where the clubface closes at a constant rate throughout the downswing.

But when you look at it slowly, the clubface is parallel to the plane for most of the downswing. This sounds to me like you're setting up for a simultanious release, as in swinging??

Swingers, not Hitters, use a sequenced release- one accumulator after the other. Accum#3 Transfers the power of the just released accum#2.

Hitter’s use a simultaneous release- all accumulators dumped at one time- POW.

I think our friend, bullish, is cross-lining and trying to use a horizontal hinge motion, which can be done. The clubface must be opened more at address and the hinge action needs to be done through the ball not after.

Oops! Thanks 6bee.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by rwh

6B,

Sorry, Mike. I was working on my post and didn't see yours.

ditto, hahaha. There is no sorry on TGM forums, just good information.

Keep up the good posts.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by birdie_man

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

quote:Originally posted by birdie_man

So...

Let me check this with you first to make sure I understand.

You feel a sequenced-type release, as in hitting, where the clubface closes at a constant rate throughout the downswing.

But when you look at it slowly, the clubface is parallel to the plane for most of the downswing. This sounds to me like you're setting up for a simultanious release, as in swinging??

Swingers, not Hitters, use a sequenced release- one accumulator after the other. Accum#3 Transfers the power of the just released accum#2.

Hitter’s use a simultaneous release- all accumulators dumped at one time- POW.

I think our friend, bullish, is cross-lining and trying to use a horizontal hinge motion, which can be done. The clubface must be opened more at address and the hinge action needs to be done through the ball not after.

Oops! Thanks 6bee.

It took me a while to understand what was happening. The domino effect of accumulators transferring power one to another like David’s sling with Swinging as opposed to the dumping of all accumulator power at once like a warhead with Hitting.

Who else teaches this stuff but Homer!

This stuff is still light years ahead of everything the rest of the golf world teaches or learns. I went through a two year old Golf Magazine and shook my head at how pathetic instruction really is out there. Its great to be in The Golfing Machine.