few questions

[tongzilla]

few questions for jim and others...

how can someone who gets so steep (above TSP) swing so far to the right? assume he doesn't get back to the elbow plane...

if tiger was perfectly on the TSP during that amazing year 2000 (as i think brian said, but correct me if i'm wrong), does that mean he is below the TSP now?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

few questions for jim and others...

how can someone who gets so steep (above TSP) swing so far to the right? assume he doesn't get back to the elbow plane...

Plane shift and it isn't "so far" to the right it's "too far" to the right for that particular plane angle. if you do a search for David Tom's swing on this sight (search: "complete junk" posted by brian manzella) when brian put up the swings up VJ and David to explain the 1/2 plane idea. That swing sequence is a "poor" sequence of david of getting below the turned shoulder plane on the downswing and swinging too far to the right for that plane angle.

if tiger was perfectly on the TSP during that amazing year 2000 (as i think brian said, but correct me if i'm wrong), does that mean he is below the TSP now?

Tiger also took the club UP the TSP as well, he doesn't do that now. When Tiger is playing his best imo he still gets to the TSP. When he "overcooks" the idea of plane on the backswing he gets a little too low and doesn't quite make it.

THEN

When he shifts back down to the eblow plane he is actually slightly below the elbow plane and is swinging too far under plane and hits it right a lot (like he did yesterday )

 

[tongzilla]

ok, I see.

Tiger always talks about trying to achieve a shallow divot. That's probably one of the reasons why.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Two differenet things.

Plane ANGLE. Plane LINE.

You can be VERY SHALLOW and swing too far left, and VERY steep and swing too far right.

Of course, some will say that ANY SHIFT below the TSP will always be below plane and too far to the right.

Nope. See Lee Trevino and Ben Hogan,

 

[tongzilla]

Plane ANGLE. Plane LINE.

You can be VERY SHALLOW and swing too far left, and VERY steep and swing too far right.

Of course, some will say that ANY SHIFT below the TSP will always be below plane and too far to the right.

Nope. See Lee Trevino and Ben Hogan,

yes, plane angle and plane line are independent, of course of course i know!

but if that's so true, why do you generally teach hookers to go more upright and slicers less so (after fixing the clubface)?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

but if that's so true, why do you generally teach hookers to go more upright and slicers less so (after fixing the clubface)?

Because most hookers have too much "in" and not enough "up" in their swing. So you basically have to teach them the opposite.

Slicers are the opposite case in most instances.