Are you really serious about improving your swing? Don't listen to me. Go the http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com and read what over 1,000 golfers just like you have to say about this method. I'm sure this post won't be up here long. Some administrators are better than others.
Finally found some "real" help!
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rbaumgolf
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maybe because I've met him spent time with him. I've had plenty of instruction over the years and Brian is one of the best - as an instructor and as a person. Barging into a forum and disparging the host is not the most diplomatic way to get any of your points accross - Why did you come anyway?
Fool? Now Brian is going to try and win him over - hahaha.
Nothing wrong with wanting to swing on a single plane without any, or at least a minimum amount, of hand shifts- except HARDY HARDleY knows what he is doing.
Lets see- Hardy wants us to: spread those legs wide, bend over (god thats kinda kinky) deeply and set the hands far from the body, use to stiff arms to take the club to the inside (no mention of how or if the right arm folds to get the clubhead up but that would be tough to explain why the hands suddemly moved off plane- bummer), turn the shoulders beyond 90 degrees (yes he said 90 or more), and then as the first move down, turn the shoulders first to catch up with the hips that should not turn without the whole body. Geez is that a method of steering or what???
Nothing wrong with wanting to swing on a single plane without any, or at least a minimum amount, of hand shifts- except HARDY HARDleY knows what he is doing.
Lets see- Hardy wants us to: spread those legs wide, bend over (god thats kinda kinky) deeply and set the hands far from the body, use to stiff arms to take the club to the inside (no mention of how or if the right arm folds to get the clubhead up but that would be tough to explain why the hands suddemly moved off plane- bummer), turn the shoulders beyond 90 degrees (yes he said 90 or more), and then as the first move down, turn the shoulders first to catch up with the hips that should not turn without the whole body. Geez is that a method of steering or what???
birdie_man
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Nah he'll leave the post up I bet. He might just try to tell you what's funky about that method.
I just skimmed over that site and I have already found a few glaring half-truths...or worse (i.e. yet another mention of Tiger getting "stuck." I believe what Brian said in his PODcast- there's much more to it than just "stuck").
BTW as far as I can see, he had described TWO methods....that's all. And not that accurately or thoroughly (but not everyone wants thorough, right?...w/e).
But if simple is what you want then who cares if it isn't the truth right?
W/E man....if it works for you and you believe in it then that's good. Go run to that site....go put a picture of Hardy up on your wall for all I care.
-Paul
I just skimmed over that site and I have already found a few glaring half-truths...or worse (i.e. yet another mention of Tiger getting "stuck." I believe what Brian said in his PODcast- there's much more to it than just "stuck").
BTW as far as I can see, he had described TWO methods....that's all. And not that accurately or thoroughly (but not everyone wants thorough, right?...w/e).
But if simple is what you want then who cares if it isn't the truth right?
W/E man....if it works for you and you believe in it then that's good. Go run to that site....go put a picture of Hardy up on your wall for all I care.
-Paul
swingeasttowest
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He probably thought of his handle "Yuraway" from what friends said to him on the putting green!...LOL
birdie_man
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Hahahaha good one man. [
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birdie_man
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BTW....look at those wonderful impact positions.
Great stuff by Mr. Jim Hardy.
http://www.golfdigest.com/instruction/index.ssf?/instruction/gd200505swingplane6.html
I'm sorry....this article just gets way more attention than it deserves....
Great stuff by Mr. Jim Hardy.
http://www.golfdigest.com/instruction/index.ssf?/instruction/gd200505swingplane6.html
I'm sorry....this article just gets way more attention than it deserves....
just looked over this article...is it just me or is this hardy 1 vs. 2 plane thing simply the TGM difference of stopping at the top vs. going to the end (check out the little logos) and has nothing to do with TGM's planes?
-hcw
ps-brian, love to see you do your line thing on jacobsen's 1 vs. 2 plane swing pics on this page:
http://www.golfdigest.com/instruction/index.ssf?/instruction/gd200505swingplane2.html
jeffy
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What short memories you guys have: this is the site that prompted Brian's "Complete Junk" audio that tore apart this fool's "interpretation" of Jim Hardy's theories. You may recall that this site went up and professed to espouse the Hardy one-plane method although: 1) the guy had never met Hardy, 2) he had never read any of Hardy's work because it hadn't been published yet, 3) he had only seen about ten minutes of Hardy on his first Golf Academy live segment, but 4) he had talked to someone who had attended a Hardy seminar. The site is riddled with errors.
You can criticize Hardy all you want, but the truth is that his record in turning around struggling pros is very good and that what he says regarding the fundamentals of the two swing types he has identified has not been refuted here, or anywhere else to my knowledge; even Brian has grudgingly admitted this.
A lot of people have found Hardy's work to be very helpful and are grateful about it. Why should that bother anybody on this site?
Jeff
jeffy
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I agree that "Confessions" is great but it isn't any cheaper than Hardy's book; it's actually more expensive: Hardy's book is only $12.95 on-line and the "Confessions" DVD is $19.99. That said, I think "Confessions" is invaluable for someone looking to follow Hardy's methods. Hardy does not really get into how to acheive a flat left wrist and, without it, you're wasting your time trying to swing with your left arm in line with your shoulder tilt at the top (what Hardy calls "one-plane" but is a typical "double shift" swing in TGMese). He'll probably go into more detail in the next book.
Jeff
sorry, i wasn't trying to say that the only differences in his two swing models was whether one stops at the top or end, but that haney decides which category you fit into by where one stops and ignores any/everything else..ie i think both of hardy's 1- and 2-plane "set-ups" could simply switch where they stop and thus immediately flip-flop their category w/o changing much else in the stroke...but maybe this idea is all wet as it is nastily humid sticky rainy where i am as well...cheers!
-hcw
birdie_man
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Good to know Jeff...I'll keep that in mind.
Steve Khatib
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Hardy has two methods, TGM is a system with over 7trillion possibilities. Which one who rather teach with Yuraway? The simpleton that you are gives us that answer easily.
If Hardy helped yuraway, then let him go. We do not need the added krap trying to beat this guy down.
Personally- I won't be caught dead in the Hardy set-up but if low level golfers find comfort in it- good for them. I think more low level golfers would do well learning proper alignments - alignments that flow. Then they would no longer be at a low level hacking away.
Spread'em and reach- Hardy's 1plne set up.
But Hardy is a quick fix until the next 'big thing' hits the TGC and GD.
Personally- I won't be caught dead in the Hardy set-up but if low level golfers find comfort in it- good for them. I think more low level golfers would do well learning proper alignments - alignments that flow. Then they would no longer be at a low level hacking away.
Spread'em and reach- Hardy's 1plne set up.
But Hardy is a quick fix until the next 'big thing' hits the TGC and GD.
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