Finally...."mashed" the ball today!!!!

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Got home Saturday after a so-so day on the course. In the mail was my first copy of The Golfing Machine. Started reading it and a lot of stuff made sense. I don't know what I didn't get the freakin' book sooner.

Got to the range today...started off hitting my pitiful shots. So, determined to figure out a fix....I started thinking about some of Brian's articles and personal teaching. And....something that stood out in the book...IMPACT FIX.

So, I picked a target, picked an intermediate target in line with the longer target, set up to the ball in an impact fix and then moved to a set up position. If you do this, and you have a neutral grip, the club will be "hooded" or closed at address. I remembered Brian saying this would be the case in one of his videos. So, taking the club back from this position caused me to know what to do to get it in impact postion on the downswing...and hit the inside aft of the ball.

I don't know if this is something I was missing or just something weird to me but....settting up this way caused everything to work. I knew I couldn't come into the ball with the club looking like it did. I got the right backswing and held the twistaway. I felt my a$$ end move to the left while my head area stayed back. I came slightly inside the ball and hit some monster shots that had a little draw or went straight. Not only were they long, they had nice trajectory as well.

Oh yeah, I also focused on lag into the ball. I was letting the right elbow do some fully things. Today, I let it get infront of my hip and sustain the lag while my pivot mashed hell outa the ball.

This worked on every club...from LW to Driver (with the execption of my hybrid...couldn't hit that for crap but..I think it was ball position). I hit each club 3-4 balls then picked out a different club at the other end of the club range (a 4i after a pw).

I ended up staying at the range for almost 4 hours. Yeah, I had a few crappy shots but....only a few.

I also took this same set up routine to the chipping/pitching game. I've made a lot of improvement there but this dialed it in even better.

Does this just sound like a band-aid or does the club face look slightly closed or "hooded" when you set up.

We'll see this holds up through the remainder of the week. It just made everything seem so easy that I really didn't have to focus on anything but...impact postion, then set up with mid-hands..club pointed at belt buckle, twistaway and get that club in position to duplicate impact position...hold the lag and WHAM! My body did everything that it was susposed to do on it's own.

With the club slightly closed at address, my brain was telling me that if I hit the ball like that, it was going waaaay left. The impact fix helped me to see what the club needed to return to and the intermediate target was kind of an aiming point. Does this make sense?

To me it was AWESOME!
 
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rundmc

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Good for you dude! Good to see you on a more positive note! Get off the emotional roller coaster you don't meet the gender requirement. Leave that to the chicks . . . they a freakin' great at it!
 
'er rundmc...you didn't know me before my operation...

rundmc said:
Good for you dude! Good to see you on a more positive note! Get off the emotional roller coaster you don't meet the gender requirement. Leave that to the chicks . . . they a freakin' great at it!


just kiddin'. Looking back on the frustration over the last week, A lot of it is from being stuck at a certain plateau for a while. I went to Louisville and expected magic to happen. Again, I don't blame Brian and to those that think Brian is a band-aid applicator...I don't feel that way at all. I actually pre-paid for more lessons and will continue to look to Brian as my coach. The dude can flat communicate, entertertain, and figure out what you need....he can teach!
With me, he has a relatively new golfer that has been programmed by some crappy teachers to do it really wrong. I learned from him what to do to make magic happen but...there are really a lot of things that need to change. It will come!

The other thread "managing expectations" was good for me. Got the frustration out and got some good advice. And who knows, may have turned a small corner.
 
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30yrlayoff said:
Does this just sound like a band-aid or does the club face look slightly closed or "hooded" when you set up.

We'll see this holds up through the remainder of the week. It just made everything seem so easy that I really didn't have to focus on anything but...impact postion, then set up with mid-hands..club pointed at belt buckle, twistaway and get that club in position to duplicate impact position...hold the lag and WHAM! My body did everything that it was susposed to do on it's own.

With the club slightly closed at address, my brain was telling me that if I hit the ball like that, it was going waaaay left. The impact fix helped me to see what the club needed to return to and the intermediate target was kind of an aiming point. Does this make sense?

So, would someone care to comment on the above??
 

rundmc

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30yrlayoff said:
So, would someone care to comment on the above??
Lee Buck played with a closed clubface. The more he wanted to fade it the more he closed it. I think he probably did this due to his strong grip to keep from rolling it shut prematurely. He had to block it at the target in order to hold the clubface open for his patented push cut.

Also Homer Kelley would tell you per 2-J-1 . . . Angle Hinging gives the Clubface a Slice producing uncentered motion so while the Clubface does “Close” during Impact, Clubface alignment is slightly “Open” for short shots but for longer shots it must be set up more and more “Closed.”

So the HARDER you intend to hit it with the layback inherent to Angled Hinging . . . the more you CLOSE the face to compensate.

Also Lee Buck is probably the PosterBoy for BM Twistaway.
 
AHhhhh but....I am not using angled hinging...

rundmc said:
Lee Buck played with a closed clubface. The more he wanted to fade it the more he closed it. I think he probably did this due to his strong grip to keep from rolling it shut prematurely. He had to block it at the target in order to hold the clubface open for his patented push cut.

Also Homer Kelley would tell you per 2-J-1 . . . Angle Hinging gives the Clubface a Slice producing uncentered motion so while the Clubface does “Close” during Impact, Clubface alignment is slightly “Open” for short shots but for longer shots it must be set up more and more “Closed.”

So the HARDER you intend to hit it with the layback inherent to Angled Hinging . . . the more you CLOSE the face to compensate.

Also Lee Buck is probably the PosterBoy for BM Twistaway.

My clubface is slightly open to square at impact. Swinging left after impact with club face closing...horizontal hinging. If you listen to Brian's video answer about address vs. impact clubface, he is describing what I am talking about.
 
This is almost EXACTLY what I've been working on lately and like you the results have been great

Closed clubface at address, aim slightly right of target, twistaway with full extension and try hard to swing to right field. When Ive been on it been hitting long high draws with every club

My problem is still a pull however when I go down the target line or swing left and roundhouse a little but im living with it and know what I gotta go practice this winter. That whole swing path thing and trusting to swing it out to 10 o clock (where 9 is the target line) with the closed face

I also dont hit with my pivot. I hit with my right hand (right palm down from the top). I cant stop pulling if I feel like I hit with my pivot

The main problem I have with this method is with the driver and getting that to sit with a closed face behind the ball and then hittimg up. For some reason it doesnt feel or look right and the results are more patchy than the woods/irons
 

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30yrlayoff said:
Got home Saturday after a so-so day on the course. In the mail was my first copy of The Golfing Machine. Started reading it and a lot of stuff made sense. I don't know what I didn't get the freakin' book sooner.

Got to the range today...started off hitting my pitiful shots. So, determined to figure out a fix....I started thinking about some of Brian's articles and personal teaching. And....something that stood out in the book...IMPACT FIX.

So, I picked a target, picked an intermediate target in line with the longer target, set up to the ball in an impact fix and then moved to a set up position. If you do this, and you have a neutral grip, the club will be "hooded" or closed at address. I remembered Brian saying this would be the case in one of his videos. So, taking the club back from this position caused me to know what to do to get it in impact postion on the downswing...and hit the inside aft of the ball.

I don't know if this is something I was missing or just something weird to me but....settting up this way caused everything to work. I knew I couldn't come into the ball with the club looking like it did. I got the right backswing and held the twistaway. I felt my a$$ end move to the left while my head area stayed back. I came slightly inside the ball and hit some monster shots that had a little draw or went straight. Not only were they long, they had nice trajectory as well.

Oh yeah, I also focused on lag into the ball. I was letting the right elbow do some fully things. Today, I let it get infront of my hip and sustain the lag while my pivot mashed hell outa the ball.

This worked on every club...from LW to Driver (with the execption of my hybrid...couldn't hit that for crap but..I think it was ball position). I hit each club 3-4 balls then picked out a different club at the other end of the club range (a 4i after a pw).

I ended up staying at the range for almost 4 hours. Yeah, I had a few crappy shots but....only a few.

I also took this same set up routine to the chipping/pitching game. I've made a lot of improvement there but this dialed it in even better.

Does this just sound like a band-aid or does the club face look slightly closed or "hooded" when you set up.

We'll see this holds up through the remainder of the week. It just made everything seem so easy that I really didn't have to focus on anything but...impact postion, then set up with mid-hands..club pointed at belt buckle, twistaway and get that club in position to duplicate impact position...hold the lag and WHAM! My body did everything that it was susposed to do on it's own.

With the club slightly closed at address, my brain was telling me that if I hit the ball like that, it was going waaaay left. The impact fix helped me to see what the club needed to return to and the intermediate target was kind of an aiming point. Does this make sense?

To me it was AWESOME!
"Oh yeah, I also focused on lag into the ball."
"........sustain the lag while my pivot mashed hell outa the ball."
"....hold the lag and WHAM! My body did everything that it was susposed to do on it's own."

The former is the "cause" (or the intent) and the latter is the "effect" (body movement). Can't be any clearer than that!

Keep up the good work, "sustain the lag", the secret of golf.
 
Here is what it is doing for me...

ThomasTheTank said:
This is almost EXACTLY what I've been working on lately and like you the results have been great

Closed clubface at address, aim slightly right of target, twistaway with full extension and try hard to swing to right field. When Ive been on it been hitting long high draws with every club

My problem is still a pull however when I go down the target line or swing left and roundhouse a little but im living with it and know what I gotta go practice this winter. That whole swing path thing and trusting to swing it out to 10 o clock (where 9 is the target line) with the closed face

I also dont hit with my pivot. I hit with my right hand (right palm down from the top). I cant stop pulling if I feel like I hit with my pivot

The main problem I have with this method is with the driver and getting that to sit with a closed face behind the ball and then hittimg up. For some reason it doesnt feel or look right and the results are more patchy than the woods/irons

When I set up like this and see that closed club...I know the ball is going way left on me if the club contacts the ball in that position.

When I take the club back in twistaway, It keeps me holding it. The face of the club is looking at the ball longer. Some of my big problems occur on the downswing. I would lose the twistaway and swing either out or drop it inside. With this takeaway, the club is in such perfect position, all I have to do is hold it, keep it on plane, and make sure I am pivoting with axis tilt. The clubface is exactly where it needs to be on impact. What is key for me....I'm not having to trying and do any of the above. The body is doing the pivot, plane, axis tilt, etc....naturally. I'm just holding the twist and thinking inside aft of ball and FLW/BRW and sustain the lag.

For some reason, when I get the neutral grip and line up at address with the club square to the ball and centered hands, I can't get good contact on the way down. I also fight spraying it. Even if I do the above!!!

We'll see today if this still works. Only thing...I spend so long at the range today, I am pretty sore....and for some reason...my stomach muscles feel like I did 500 sit-ups. They are sore too! (a good sore). I actually got blisters on my left hand (didn't use a glove). But, there was no way I was giving up those shots until I was certain I had down everything that was making them fly the way they were.
 
ThomasTheTank said:
The main problem I have with this method is with the driver and getting that to sit with a closed face behind the ball and then hittimg up. For some reason it doesnt feel or look right and the results are more patchy than the woods/irons

Did you set up at impact fix first? My driver was long and boring....and where I needed it to go. I hit like 5 beautiful drives in a row and put the driver up.

It did look a bit weird at set up but....the swing was not all that different. It seemed like it took a split second longer to wind the driver up.but......from there on....it was the same and the face came out the same at impact. I did line up the ball more towards the toe at address.
 

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30yr I think I understand. You have corrected a grip thing and all the other thigns you are doing allows for a top position and pivot which can hit from the inside.

Why not!

So I wouldn't get concerned. I put my right hand on at address in a funny way with the hood closed, and then I return the hands and club back to standard address.
 
The proof will be in the pudding today.....

dbl said:
30yr I think I understand. You have corrected a grip thing and all the other thigns you are doing allows for a top position and pivot which can hit from the inside.

Why not!

So I wouldn't get concerned. I put my right hand on at address in a funny way with the hood closed, and then I return the hands and club back to standard address.

That's what I am thinking...why not???
Can't wait to get up to the range to see if it is duplicatable.
 
OK, after a couple range sessions and a scramble...

Progress! All clubs have improved trajectory and distance. When I do everything correct, I am getting good ball control (direction). Still hitting a fair share of fat/thin shots and an occasional (rare).

However, when I try to go from impact fix to standard address (clubface 90* to target line)...I can't hit crap. WEIRD!

Not where I want to be but MAJOR improvement over a week ago....when I couldn't hit any irons with a MASH.
 
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