Flat Left Wrist...I get slices and shanks!!! Help
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Archie Swivel
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When your club is parallel around waist level AFTER follow-through, where is the clubface facing and has your right forearm rolled over your left forearm?
Archie Swivel
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Catch 'rain drops' with your left palm during follow-thru around waist-level.
swingeasttowest
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Remember you can have a flat left wrist with the palm of the left hand facing the ground, target and the sky.Watch your left elbow.....
CrimsonTider
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I am having a similar problem as 300Drive. I have a hard time maintaining a flat left wrist and achieving the roll over. I can not speak for him, but I just may not have the talent to do both. My left wrist does not want to roll, it will flip instead, and only bad things happen when it does that.
Archie Swivel
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what if you instead concentrated on 'swiveling' your bent right wrist through impact--maintaining the bend until near finish? you may impact with a slightly arched left wrist, but that's not a bad thing.
Archie Swivel
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Glad you asked Mizuno. First, I was really trying to get CrimsonTider to get through impact with a roll, but without a flip. So I thought it was worth a shot getting him to switch his focus on his right hand and pp#3 through impact as a drill only. Second, if you notice my forum alias, "Archie Swivel", my swing thought when I play is to 'swivel' through impact with a slightly 'arched' left wrist and a bent right wrist; then I show the target my arched left wrist during follow through before I 'unswivel' to finish. I do try to maintain a FLAT left wrist on the backswing. This slightly arched position at impact makes sense since I am striking down on the ball with my hands ahead of the ball. See Brian's last photo in his article, "Lagging the clubhead." Now I don't want to slander Brian by saying that he teaches an arched left wrist at impact, but he did have ME doing this to some degree at our first few lessons. But bare in mind when I first went to him I had a strong 'turned' grip in my fingers and I casted. So he may have been just trying to get me to do an extreme opposite. Brian may need to chime in here to clarify.
Arch
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A. Swivel,
If you set up at Impact Fix with your Left Wrist Flat, and then at Separation your Left Wrist is Arched, the Clubface will be open and the Ball's initial flight path will be to the right (a push). If you want to keep your Left Wrist Arched at Impact and Separation, you must set it up that way at Impact Fix--then the Ball will go striaght.
300Drive, you're shanking and slicing because your "coming over the top," or in TGM-parlance, you have a bent Plane Line. Remember the Down Stroke is Down and Out towards the inside quadrant of the Ball.
If you set up at Impact Fix with your Left Wrist Flat, and then at Separation your Left Wrist is Arched, the Clubface will be open and the Ball's initial flight path will be to the right (a push). If you want to keep your Left Wrist Arched at Impact and Separation, you must set it up that way at Impact Fix--then the Ball will go striaght.
300Drive, you're shanking and slicing because your "coming over the top," or in TGM-parlance, you have a bent Plane Line. Remember the Down Stroke is Down and Out towards the inside quadrant of the Ball.
archie,
by swivel do you mean that your bent right wrist moves in a counterclockwise motion from about 4 o'clock around the dial to about 11 o'clock rather than straightening and moving downward? i love this forum, but i think some of us need more clarification when you use terms like swivel etc. it may not mean the same thing to all of us. thanks for your anticipated reply.
jim
by swivel do you mean that your bent right wrist moves in a counterclockwise motion from about 4 o'clock around the dial to about 11 o'clock rather than straightening and moving downward? i love this forum, but i think some of us need more clarification when you use terms like swivel etc. it may not mean the same thing to all of us. thanks for your anticipated reply.
jim
Brian Manzella
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SWINGERS: Use the 'throw-out' action of the clubhead to release #2 accumulator (wrist cock) without unrolling (#3 accumulator)....
...then 'catch' the speed of this uncocking and TRANSFER it to #3 and the turning torso.
HITTERS: Use your STRAIGHTENING right arm to release #2 and #3 together.
...then 'catch' the speed of this uncocking and TRANSFER it to #3 and the turning torso.
HITTERS: Use your STRAIGHTENING right arm to release #2 and #3 together.
CrimsonTider
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How do I know whether I am a swinger or a hitter?
rwh
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If your swing resembles the late Payne Stewart's swing, you're a swinger; if it resembles Arnold Palmer or Craig Stadler, you're a hitter.
If you rely on rotational forces, you're a swinger; if you rely on the muscular effort of primarily your right arm, you're a hitter.
If you "pull" the club down and through ('rope swinging"), you're a swinger; if you "push" the grip end (axe handle), you're a hitter.
You can use both procedures, just not at the same time. It's important to know what procedure you're using, because there are some hitting and/or swinging components that just aren't compatible with the other technique. A lot, if not most golf instruction fails to recognize this and the player gets messed up through no fault of their own.
blackjackcat
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What would this make me: Before TGM I was a swinger for sure. Since TGM I have worked on a bent trail wrist to keep the lead wrist flat. I still have some of the swinger in me but it seems like I am using my trail arm more now but I don't think staighten it all the way on the downswing.
I would suggest some split grip drill practice for you. You are very likely rolling/lifting in the takeaway and getting off plane.
a few things to keep in mind with split grip drills (one of the best drills you can ever do IMO)
1) the butt end of the club should move at the same rate as the clubhead in the early takeaway (the reason TGM uses the bent left/flat right at address, keeps you from coming 'out and over' right off the ball), feel like the back of your lead hand faces the ball a bit longer going back
2) the butt end of the club should move 'nearly' straight back, until hip high where everything 'meets' in line, on plane
3) as you do the split grip drills, exaggerate the 'throw' of the right hand 'out to first base' - this will give the 'push' feeling and the 'uppercut punch' (but don't forget full roll)
The throw of the right hand can be thought of as an 'upside down' fastball, I find people understand that feel a bit more than the 'underhand throw', which implies more of a toss motion, instead of a 'throw' motion
Or, as Tiger mentions in his book - try to get the butt end of the club as far from the right hip as you can on the backswing
It is similar to a hockey motion from hip high through to the finish - feel the right arm extension 'through'
Practice from hip high on the back swing, to a full balanced finish
The right arm extending, from the 'inside' is a critical feeling to get, and you can't get there if your takeaway is off, as most folks are, the lift/roll (not keeping the clubhead 'outside' the hands until hip high) will ruin any chance of proper extention, so work those split grip drills until it clicks for you.
a few things to keep in mind with split grip drills (one of the best drills you can ever do IMO)
1) the butt end of the club should move at the same rate as the clubhead in the early takeaway (the reason TGM uses the bent left/flat right at address, keeps you from coming 'out and over' right off the ball), feel like the back of your lead hand faces the ball a bit longer going back
2) the butt end of the club should move 'nearly' straight back, until hip high where everything 'meets' in line, on plane
3) as you do the split grip drills, exaggerate the 'throw' of the right hand 'out to first base' - this will give the 'push' feeling and the 'uppercut punch' (but don't forget full roll)
The throw of the right hand can be thought of as an 'upside down' fastball, I find people understand that feel a bit more than the 'underhand throw', which implies more of a toss motion, instead of a 'throw' motion
Or, as Tiger mentions in his book - try to get the butt end of the club as far from the right hip as you can on the backswing
It is similar to a hockey motion from hip high through to the finish - feel the right arm extension 'through'
Practice from hip high on the back swing, to a full balanced finish
The right arm extending, from the 'inside' is a critical feeling to get, and you can't get there if your takeaway is off, as most folks are, the lift/roll (not keeping the clubhead 'outside' the hands until hip high) will ruin any chance of proper extention, so work those split grip drills until it clicks for you.
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