Flat shoulder turn

[DivotDelight]

To "swing under a stick", I used a flatter shoulder turn. I normally rotated my shoulder pretty much at right angles to my spine, thus on the downstroke, I had to make a difficult compensation to drop my right shoulder back and down first before going downplane. At the range yesterday with my last 2 balls, I remembered swinging under a stick and the only way I could do it was to pull my right shoulder back, instead of upwards. On the downstroke, all I had to do was fire my right shoulder downplane at the ball without any down plane-shifitng compensation. Hit the driver with a slight draw about 210.

I believe I was using my second axis tilt to drop the shoulder to a lower plane first after a steep shoulder turn, instead of using the tilt to get the right shoulder travelling downplane first afer a flat shoulder turn.

My question is, can a shoulder turn be too flat?

thanks

 

[Brian Manzella]

If the base of your neck stays still....not really.

 

[DivotDelight]

With a flatter or flat shoulder turn and accumulator #4 at max with the left arm pinned across the chest, wouldn't the hands be too far inside? Or is that another golf myth propogated by The Golf Channel and tips in golfing magazines?

Thanks

 

[lagster]

Good question! I had a similar question under #4 pressure point (connection) topic.

I still see a few guys playing from the position you are talking about, i.e., the left arm across the chest, and the right shoulder visible above the left arm at the top.

Olazabal, Peter Jacobsen, Azinger, John Jacobs... have this look, and come down nicely on plane. Venturi did this, but looked to me as if he had to get the arms and club back in front on the downswing.

The move I see more often from here is a version of 10-F-7 in TGM, or a shift to a very steep plane getting the arms and club back in front on the downswing.

The trend now does seem to be to keep the arms, club, and hands more in front of the chest. Are these guys, like Tiger, not utilizing as much #4 accumulator? It doesn't seem to hinder their power.

Also, what corrections... pivot, plane, elbow position, etc., would you employ to help the Loop Shifters? TGM seems to indicate a pivot correction is the answer.