FLighting technique
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Brian Manzella
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High...stand farther away/ add axis tilt and lob face impact as needed.
Low...stand closer/ arch left wrist as needed...more stance Up only if needed.
Fade...aim well left...hit the insdie of the ball (normally) don't allow normal roll...reverse roll as needed...ball will "push fade"
Darw...aim RIGHT!/ swing under the stick...over roll as needed...set up with face closed as needed...ball will "pull draw"
Low...stand closer/ arch left wrist as needed...more stance Up only if needed.
Fade...aim well left...hit the insdie of the ball (normally) don't allow normal roll...reverse roll as needed...ball will "push fade"
Darw...aim RIGHT!/ swing under the stick...over roll as needed...set up with face closed as needed...ball will "pull draw"
Brian Manzella
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That will not work ED...sorry...but if it does it cause your are swinging somewhere else besides where you are aiming.
I see it work all the time..... now we can have the same discussion as before (i.e. there are 'several' factors that influence flight, depending on speed/compression/angle/clubface contact/path)... you claimed before that it 'was' the clubface, and I agree that is one of the more important factors, but not 'the' factor)
Or...
you can prove to me your view is correct, give me a drill, a link, anything that will prove this.
Or...
you can ignore my request for proof, and I will gladly continue shaping shots the way that works for me, with my setup.
Brian Manzella
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Ok.....
I'll post proof...but you will owe me
I'll post proof...but you will owe me
If it helps my game, my students, or the average player, you'll have my appreciation that more people can play the game well. I haven't seen anything you post that I haven't seen somewhere else before in one form or another. This isn't a knock on you per se (as noted in the past re: your ego being the issue), just that I am still waiting to see something new, or something that justifies the hype.
For what it's worth, few have summed up the the swing as well, and as simply as Knudson, and yes, even George Hibbard (although as I've said, I don't agree with all of George's details, but he's got the core right).
So when you can beat Hogan's book/detail and Knudson's simplicity, I'll call up Academy Live and thank you for helping the game.
Until then, how about lightening up on the "you'll owe me" crap....
For what it's worth, few have summed up the the swing as well, and as simply as Knudson, and yes, even George Hibbard (although as I've said, I don't agree with all of George's details, but he's got the core right).
So when you can beat Hogan's book/detail and Knudson's simplicity, I'll call up Academy Live and thank you for helping the game.
Until then, how about lightening up on the "you'll owe me" crap....
cherrybarry
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How do you know your path and clubface at impact is exactly the way it was set-up at address?
Brian Manzella
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Correct.
It's no different than how I know I'm going to hit it straight... I setup for the result I want and swing the shaft, no need to manipulate the hands or body to produce the desired flight.
And in any case, even if Brian can show that his view is true, you can still achieve the same result - alter the setup, make your swing without manipulation.
I've never said I can't be convinced.... but I'm still waiting for something other than "because I said so"
so convince me.....
And in any case, even if Brian can show that his view is true, you can still achieve the same result - alter the setup, make your swing without manipulation.
I've never said I can't be convinced.... but I'm still waiting for something other than "because I said so"
so convince me.....
Brian Manzella
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I will take some video with a my plane board tommorrow!
bantamben1
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im suprised there are no articles with a iron byron hitting shots making manipulations and giving the results for fades and draws i would love to see it if anyone has seen something like that
Brian Manzella
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I will get the video up as soon as I can, bcoak
ben...the articles are never written because the COMPANIES AND MAGAZINES DON't want the truth out....really.
ben...the articles are never written because the COMPANIES AND MAGAZINES DON't want the truth out....really.
Why don't we all test it the next time we go to the range. Try both methods and see how it works. Then return our results here.
I used to do it the way EdZ suggests but it always seemed to draw/fade too much. Then I read about the method Brian says is the way to do it, and that works very well for me.
Anyway I've seen this discussion on several forums now, and unless it's because you guys just love the academic discussion more than finding out what really works, I can't see why we shouldn't have kind of a poll thing going. I actually suggested this on the TGM forum and noone commented. What about you??
I used to do it the way EdZ suggests but it always seemed to draw/fade too much. Then I read about the method Brian says is the way to do it, and that works very well for me.
Anyway I've seen this discussion on several forums now, and unless it's because you guys just love the academic discussion more than finding out what really works, I can't see why we shouldn't have kind of a poll thing going. I actually suggested this on the TGM forum and noone commented. What about you??
cherrybarry
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But how do you know they present the club at impact the same way they do at address?
If they set up 10 yards left and aim at the target, are you or they sure they swing 10 yards left with clubface at target? Could it be that they swing 10 yards left but clubface is pointing 5 yards left at IMPACT, but they DON'T KNOW IT?
If you can make these compensations, then that's fine, but if they were to actually RECREATE the same ADDRESS clubpath and clubface alignments at IMPACT, the ball would not end up at the target.
cherrybarry
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How can you be sure that your clubface is in the exact alignment at impact and address?
This is my point:
Suppose you want to hit a fade. You will set up to the left and clubface at the target. Then the ball curves left and then back towards the target.
If you recreate those exact address alignments at impact, this ball flight cannot happen. Because clubface determines initial ball direction and path relative to face determines spin. The ball will actually start at the target and curve to the right IF those EXACT address conditions are recreated at IMPACT.
You say that your method works. The ball will curve left, then right at the target. It CAN, as long as the something changes between address and impact so those same conditions are NOT met. It doesn't work if the same conditions are met because you will miss it right.
So in essence, your way of setting up requires compensations during the swing because you cannot present the clubpath and clubface at impact the same way it was set-up at address and still achieve the desired ball flight.
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