Float Loading & Twistaway?

[smooth]

I have recently been working on a float loading type move which has been really good for my irons which i'm hitting crisp and straight. No concious manipulation of the hands, just swinging away and letting natural forces do all the work.

With my driver or 3W using this move however i'm hitting a lot of snap hooks and all sorts of junk, mostly left.

Experimenting with a twistaway type move i feel a lot more loading and structure with my driver and the shots are mostly solid but quite low. I feel a lot of right arm power in this move whether that is good or bad.

Any ideas as to why for my irons i'm ok not worrying about the clubface but having to try a twistaway type move to hit the driver solid?

Is it possible to combine float loading & a twistaway?

Thanks all

 

[pecky987]

the float loading method can generate alot of lag, as the club is behind your hands for alot longer. this is probably why your iron shots have been so crisp, as this will have incrased your clubhead spped. however, with your woods and driver, with graphite shafts, this is causing left shots. this is most probly due to the flex of your shafts. assuming all shafts are regular, the irons, being shorter and steel wont show as big a difference as they would with the longer, softer graphite shafts. the increase in speed can cause hooks and left-ward shots. if you are a stiff shafts then im probly wrong

 

[tank]

I think that Twistaway is the exact opposite of float loading, and therefore, cannot be combined.

Maybe, when employing the float loading with your woods you are subconsciously trying to prevent a slice by, stopping the body rotation and letting your hands flip the clubhead past your body, or you are trying to prevent the hook by swinging too inside out.

If you don't want to use the Twistawy, I would suggest trying to feel that your hands are aggressively leading the clubhead through the impact zone.

That's my guess.

 

[Leek]

I think that Twistaway is the exact opposite of float loading, and therefore, cannot be combined.

Maybe, when employing the float loading with your woods you are subconsciously trying to prevent a slice by, stopping the body rotation and letting your hands flip the clubhead past your body, or you are trying to prevent the hook by swinging too inside out.

If you don't want to use the Twistawy, I would suggest trying to feel that your hands are aggressively leading the clubhead through the impact zone.

That's my guess.

I'm curious. I don't use the twistaway, but I know it is a godsend for millions of slicers. Why would twistaway be the opposite of float loading?

Couldn't someone float load with a less open clubface? Could you explain your thoughts?

 

[tank]

Float loading (as I understand it) is sort of a very soft arms, drag the grip away ahead of the clubhead, with no right wrist bend until the transition.

That is the opposite of the Twistawy.

Did I get it right?

 

[Leek]

Sure, float loading is dragging the club by taking grip end away. Twistaway is an active rotation of the left wrist so the logo on the glove faces away. Why couldn't I do both?

 

[fronesis]

I think it's possible to do both. When float loading there's a point (just before the clubhead is first parallel with the ground, I'd say) on the takeway where the clubhead catches up with and passes the hands. At that point it's possible to use the soft hand of the float load to let the club float past the hands AND gently twist away at the same time. At least that's what I was trying to do yesterday in my round!

 

[tank]

In TGM Terms, that is not float loading. However, if it's working for you, keep doing it.

 

[fronesis]

In TGM Terms, that is not float loading. However, if it's working for you, keep doing it.

I see: confusion is over 'float loading' vs. lagging takeaway. I was really only talking about the latter, and took the OP to be doing so as well - but I see that that's not what he actually said.

Most discussions I've seen of float loading talk about it in relation to a lagging takeaway. I suppose the lagging takeway is a necessary but not sufficient condition for float loading.

 

[tongzilla]

Lagging clubhead takeaway helps float loading.

The more you float load the more you have to make sure the face doesn't get too open - so you have to 'twistaway' to make sure. Otherwise put up with shank-like shots.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Manzella Matrix Glossary

Float Loading

Adding WRIST COCK on the downswing. Might also add RIGHT ARM bend, and additional LEFT ARM across the chest.

Lagging Clubhead Takeaway

Moving the GRIP end of the golf club at a faster rate than the CLUBHEAD end of the club, in the takeaway. Usually by moving the grip end first and dragging the clubhead before the club is off the ground.

Manzella Matrix Twistaway

A counter-clock-wise rotation of the shaft (and therefore sweetspot and clubface) apply by the hands for a selected period of time, which could be the entire swing.

So....

Since you can have TWISTAWAY without WRIST COCK, and adding WRIST COCK on the downswing IS the basis of FLOAT LOADING, then you can TWISTAWAY and FLOAD LOAD.

And, since LAGGING CLUBHEAD TAKEAWAY is something than is INDEPENDENT of either TWISTAWAY of FLOAT LOADING, you could do all three, or any combination.

Whew!

 

[birdie_man]

Thank god for Brian.

 

[tank]

Float Loading

Adding WRIST COCK on the downswing. Might also add RIGHT ARM bend, and additional LEFT ARM across the chest.

My bad. I thought that you had to get both wrists to the top in the same condition as they were at address.

Thanks.

 

[smooth]

Thanks all

Thanks all for clearing up those definitions. So any ideas as to why i need to have a twistaway with the driver but not for any other clubs? With a twistaway type move i feel like i can hit it as hard as i like with my right hand... they come out very low though with not much carry. This feels very much like a right side active swing to me.

No twistaway seems like i have to really focus on the left arm otherwise lose all the lag pressure and shanks, tops and snappers.

Again none of this translates into my irons which are going well

Thanks

 

[Kevin Shields]

Thanks all for clearing up those definitions. So any ideas as to why i need to have a twistaway with the driver but not for any other clubs? With a twistaway type move i feel like i can hit it as hard as i like with my right hand... they come out very low though with not much carry. This feels very much like a right side active swing to me.

No twistaway seems like i have to really focus on the left arm otherwise lose all the lag pressure and shanks, tops and snappers.

Again none of this translates into my irons which are going well

Thanks

My guess is the float loading opens your face. You compensate by staying on top of the ball with your irons. The driver requires more axis tilt which also opens the face, so my guess is you are putting a little flip at the bottom to save it and it's turning into a hook. The twiataway helps alot with the driver because it opens the face less and counteracts axis tilt.

 

[speedracer68]

I haven't seen your swing yet..the float load and twistaway work very well with each other and I am very happy with it..but i have found out that errors that seem slight for an 8 iron will be very much magnified with the woods..You may have a little flip that sends the ball 5 yards left with an 8 iron and the same move with a driver sends it all the way to the other fairway..If you use your pivot as the main move in transition there shouldn't be any problem with lagging clubhead, floatload or twistaway..in fact they should make you better..there might just be an extra movement that you have on the downswing..=)

 

[tongzilla]

Do not bend left wrist on downswing to float load.
It is best not to do it with increase of rt elbow bend,never more than 90 degrees.
Mostly it is done with proper grip (tuff with short left thumb)and getting elbow to pitch position. Mac teaches this well.

Here is my opinion...

The increase in acc #4 (angle between left arm and shoulder) and acc #1 (right arm bend) is a result of a good pivot; with good pivot lag (stomping transition!); and using up the residual slack coming from relatively more body turn than arm swing during the backstroke.

I don't think a short left thumb is that important for float loading (anyone here that float loads without a short left thumb at address?). But it is important to have the grip under the heel pad. And make sure your left index finger is pretty close to your left middle finger (rather than more extended like the right hand grip).

 

[birdie_man]

I use long left thumb. My lag (angle) is not mind-blowing but it would be even worse with a short thumb.