follow-up to Manzella lessons (weird question about lie of clubs)

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So round two with Brian was last week, when he made a tour stop on the way to the Bama-LSU game.

I have been having the hardest time hitting the inside aft quadrant of the ball and hitting a lot of pulls and pull hooks. it has been driving me crazy. Brian was working on helping me pivot to get my flat shoulder turn over my right leg, get my hands more inside on takeaway and physically I just find the shoulder move tough to do as i worked on the Soft Draw pattern. At times I hit the ball well during the lesson (particularly with a 3 ball drill), but once during it Brian said to me, something like, "you made a good swing, and that should have been better contact and a better result, you need to check the lie of those clubs and you may well need to be a couple degrees upright." These were a demo set of mizuno irons I bought recently.

Yesterday I dropped the irons off to get them checked and told the guy (someone i trust) to adjust the clubs to 2 degrees upright (I used to play with clubs with that lie, but had gone to a very flat lie of club as I tried Rotary and 1PS to try to eliminate the hooks). I find out when I pick the clubs up today that they had actually been 3 degrees flat. I go to the course imagining if I am hooking the heck out of 3 degrees flat irons that i won't be able to hit these. Nothing could be more wrong. Hook gone. Every shot was either a very soft draw (nothing more than 3-4 yards) or slight misses that were very slight cuts. I could still put a big hook on my 2-iron hybrid, but not my irons. Also, after having studied my swing in a mirror this week, I also started working on using a little more extensor action and also getting a little bit more lift in the middle of my backswing (with a bicep curl feel) to go along with the basic pivot work recommended by Brian, and I was hitting high soft draws with excellent distance by the end of the afternoon. Getting a little more lift in the middle of the backswing seemed to help me get to the inside of the ball more, and I started hitting soft draw pattern shots pretty consistently (was I a little underplane before causing hooks?).

Do the much more upright clubs just allow me to swing much less flat and just reduce the hook because of that thus reducing left and right? I don't understand...?

By the way, Brian demonstrated bunker technique, wearing street shoes and without warming up, and lets just say he has not overstated his skills in that area. 40 yard shots out of ridiculously deep sand to a couple feet from the flag, with nice spin.
 

Brian Manzella

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Do the much more upright clubs just allow me to swing much less flat and just reduce the hook because of that thus reducing left and right? I don't understand...?

Ok.

Let's say...

Your clubs are TOO flat. You have to try to TOO HARD to apply "hook like" spin to the ball, just to get some draw look.

With a 6-iron the ball hooks perfect. But, the same "move" will hook the 8-iron WAY TOO much. Not enough with the 4-iron.

You did the right thing...just bend 'em right for you!


By the way, Brian demonstrated bunker technique, wearing street shoes and without warming up, and lets just say he has not overstated his skills in that area. 40 yard shots out of ridiculously deep sand to a couple feet from the flag, with nice spin.

Just showing off. ;)
 

Leek

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As someone who recently went the other way, 2 degrees too upright to the correct lie, I understand what happened. If your irons are off, you have to make some compensation in your iron swing, then that swing won't work for the rest of your bag. It's too freakin hard!
 

Jim Kobylinski

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It is not a good idea to change the lie angle of tour woods by bending them, too much potential for cracking. The two ways I know the guys on the toucans do it are:

1) they have a special mold made up that they keep with them to reduce the stress on the hosel as tjey bend
2) they will install a smaller tipped shaft into a larger bore and build up one side of the shaft to make the shaft go in at an angle to create the different lie angle
 

Tom Bartlett

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It is not a good idea to change the lie angle of tour woods by bending them, too much potential for cracking. The two ways I know the guys on the toucans do it are:

1) they have a special mold made up that they keep with them to reduce the stress on the hosel as tjey bend

Did you think about tis first.
 
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