For all you Hardy fans out there...
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birdie_man
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Hahaha...harsh.
59 in the qualifyer? Wow that's savage good golf.
I'm not a Hardy guy either but what can I say, good golf.
59 in the qualifyer? Wow that's savage good golf.
I'm not a Hardy guy either but what can I say, good golf.
jeffy
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In the words of Bart Simpson: blow me. I'll pimp whoever I want, not that Hardy needs any from me. Like it or not, he is the biggest thing in golf instruction today. It is very amusing how his success annoys some on this site. It isn't a zero sum game, you know. As far as I know, his teaching doesn't contradict TGM; I think it adds to it. And, despite a lot of huffing and puffing, no one on this site has provided any specifics that discredit his theories or teaching.
BTW, I'll take a nice bottle of red wine, perhaps a Rombauer or a Green & Red zinfandel, if you can find one.
Jim Kobylinski
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i just don't like the fact that he calls them "plane" swings when it his theories revolve more around the setup you choose and what swing components work for those which has nothing to do with actual plane angles.
What bet??? When did you bet anything???
Like in:
BET: "An agreement usually between two parties that the one who has made an incorrect prediction about an uncertain outcome will forfeit something stipulated to the other; a wager."
Tell me again what was your prediction about Olin?
Also - why settle for a meager six-pack if you have faith in Hardy? Quite a down-grade from $ 28,- bottle of wine. Looks like someone is seeing the light.
There is no bet going. It's me putting my credit card where my mouth is. Didn't see you do the same.
Vaako
Before Toms' double, triple bogey finish (ouch), I thought we had a real MGF drama in the works for the weekend.
Now for something completely different...
Jeff, revisiting the Hardy theory debate thread, I had a couple questions for you:
1) Could you summarize the differences that Carol Mann has with Hardy's approach?
2) If the one-plane swing is easier on the back, how did she have a career-ending back injury?
Thanks,
Lou
jeffy
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1) It mostly has to do do with weight shift in a one-plane swing (Jim doesn't really discuss it, Carol thinks it needs to be discussed), but Jim is coming around to her views and will include more on weight shift in the second book.
2) She slipped back into her two-plane swing, which she had used for most of her career. No one knew the difference in those days. It was only when Jim explained the two different swings many years later that she was able to figure out what happened.
BTW, there is a ton of golf left. No reason why David can't bounce back.
jeffy
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What bet??? When did you bet anything???
Like in:
BET: "An agreement usually between two parties that the one who has made an incorrect prediction about an uncertain outcome will forfeit something stipulated to the other; a wager."
Tell me again what was your prediction about Olin?
Also - why settle for a meager six-pack if you have faith in Hardy? Quite a down-grade from $ 28,- bottle of wine. Looks like someone is seeing the light.
There is no bet going. It's me putting my credit card where my mouth is. Didn't see you do the same.
Vaako
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Calm down; obviously, I didn't bet anything or predict anything. Your offer was totally unsolicited. You can quibble whether to call it "your bet"; I guess a better term might be "your commitment". I really don't care.
As far as offering to settle now, I was doing you a favor. I have nothing at risk. In any case, the offer is rescinded. Let's see what tomorrow brings.
Jeff
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I've switched to this swing; loving it. I can finally hit driver.
birdie_man
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quote:Originally posted by matt
Olin also worked with Carey Mumford for a while.
Really? Cool.
There is nothing in the Hardy swing that counters The Golfing Machine. The problem is that he uses ideas about planes that are not correct- with either TGM or Hogan based teaching. He confessed this in this months GD.
I think his approach to a new set up is very good but it can be used by anyone because there is only one plane that anyone uses to hit a golf ball and that is the plane of the sweet spot which is almost the angle of the shaft at address- just slightly outside the shaft.
Hardy talks about two planes when TGM recognizes plane shifts. Hardy sees Snead as a single plane golfer. TGM sees him with a triple shift.
The hands can shift and lift and do whatever it wants after the turned shoulder plane is reached- Homer didn’t care as long as you could get it back on plane. To me that makes everyone a one planer into impact. Some with shifts that’s all.
With that said. Homer believe strongly in a single no shift plane. “Any plane shift is hazardous,” said Homer.
Brian Manzella
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Here goes the simple truth:
Jim Hardy teaches two patterns that both will work if done as he says.
He prefers the 'rounder' one, and teaches it--as is--to Peter Jacobsen and Olin Browne.
I repeat....if the Hardy patterns are done as is, they work.
BUT!...in my opinion...it is a TERRIBLE way to CLASSIFY swings with more exceptions then rules.
Homer provides a few more than two working patterns, but here are my favorites:
Never Hook Again!
"Up-the-wall-down-the-wall-left-of-the-wall"
Players include David Toms and Fred Couples.
Never Slice Again!
"Twistaway, then mash the inside of the ball before a full roll."
Players include Arnold Palmer in his prime and about 10,000 satified ex-slicers.
But....I teach many, many more patterns which will be the subject of an upcoming video.
Jim Hardy teaches two patterns that both will work if done as he says.
He prefers the 'rounder' one, and teaches it--as is--to Peter Jacobsen and Olin Browne.
I repeat....if the Hardy patterns are done as is, they work.
BUT!...in my opinion...it is a TERRIBLE way to CLASSIFY swings with more exceptions then rules.
Homer provides a few more than two working patterns, but here are my favorites:
Never Hook Again!
"Up-the-wall-down-the-wall-left-of-the-wall"
Players include David Toms and Fred Couples.
Never Slice Again!
"Twistaway, then mash the inside of the ball before a full roll."
Players include Arnold Palmer in his prime and about 10,000 satified ex-slicers.
But....I teach many, many more patterns which will be the subject of an upcoming video.
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