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This might be the stupidest question ever posted on this forum (or any others, for that matter) but, nevertheless, I shall plough onwards...
With all the good stuff about the action of the arms on the downswing in the past few months, could ALL of it be undone by forearms that are too tense? I have a terrible problem of getting my left forearm to drop below my left upper arm coming into impact, so that I end up dragging the clubhead through and draining all the power.
Once again, sorry for disturbing you with my childish ramblings, but I'm just wondering if anyone else feels this is a problem area
Thanks in advance
 
All the recent discoveries have lead to me discovering that I'm too left arm dominant, I'm right handed. Playing more "right handed" is helping me not to tug nearly as bad/much as when I feel like I'm just getting it done with the left hand/arm. I think if less tension in the Popeye region helps you do what you are wanting to do, can it be a bad thing? It's the individual keys like this that I really enjoy figuring out... the ultimate frustrating/satisfying jigsaw puzzle.
 
All the recent discoveries have lead to me discovering that I'm too left arm dominant, I'm right handed. Playing more "right handed" is helping me not to tug nearly as bad/much as when I feel like I'm just getting it done with the left hand/arm. I think if less tension in the Popeye region helps you do what you are wanting to do, can it be a bad thing? It's the individual keys like this that I really enjoy figuring out... the ultimate frustrating/satisfying jigsaw puzzle.
Yes, Mike, it's fun but brutally frustating. God gave me a golfing jigsaw puzzle of a polar bear lost in the snow, AND he hid all the edge pieces! I shall be having strong words with him when I get up there!!!

I'm also right-handed and every time I try to become more right armed dominant then the right arm just runs smack-bang into the left arm, which in turn makes the left arm want to flee like The Roadrunner high-tailing it from The Coyote.......... and, lo and behold, I'm back to square one - boo hoo.:mad:

Thanks for your help, Mike. Much appreciated...
 
That's funny! At least you know what the final picture looks like.

You know this, but it's worth repeating... enjoy the ride because I'm not sure the puzzle ever gets finished.:)
 

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This might be the stupidest question ever posted on this forum (or any others, for that matter) but, nevertheless, I shall plough onwards...
With all the good stuff about the action of the arms on the downswing in the past few months, could ALL of it be undone by forearms that are too tense? I have a terrible problem of getting my left forearm to drop below my left upper arm coming into impact, so that I end up dragging the clubhead through and draining all the power.
Once again, sorry for disturbing you with my childish ramblings, but I'm just wondering if anyone else feels this is a problem area
Thanks in advance

Dear OLIVER1,

A clue from science, and a PLEA to those schooled in anatomy to help us all.

From science, so far, there is convincing evidence that the angular velocity of the left arm, as measured and displayed on various 'kinematic sequence' devices PEAKS about 900 to 1000 degrees per second, 2/3 into the .250-.300 second downswing, when for good golfers, the left arm is horizontalISH, and the golf club is verticalISH. This is, without doubt, the second most important 'quality swing affecting' event to ball impact, first for velocity, but due to the involvement with the 'release' activities, also high in determining club path and club face conditions.

At this point in time and space, IMO (and hopefully can be verified by real scientists like those at the Anti Summit), most of the body element 'motors/accumulators' start to rapidly reduce their output. Also, because of the possible early start of antagonistic muscle activities for whatever reasons ie 'tension, imbalance, etc., the CRUCIAL distal-to-proximal energy transfers accompanied by the more visible deceleration processes of the pelvis, torso shoulders and arms MAY be impaired.

SO WHAT !!!!

Well, if the forearms are tense, IMO (please anatomists weigh in here, because this is the meat of the problem), my understanding is that there is significant synergy between 'tight forearms' and tight wrists, and higher grip pressure etc. BUT from the last paragraph, this happens at the time a whole lot of energy is trying to get across the wrist joints and into the golf club; MAYBE even the new 'coupling point' is an area of interest here too.

So my admittedly, barely scientific contribution is that 'Popeye-like' tense forearms that get/stay this way thru the the downswing phase are very probably real good club head velocity REDUCERS.

Now for the right arm/hand and the role in affecting club head velocity. Fortunately, I can be a little more scientific here, and I apologize in advance if it gets a little hard to complicated. I will make a serious effort to keep it understandable, and more importantly, easy to implement.

For clarity, ( and fortunately with no significant impact on correctness), picture only the shoulders, arms and club rotating during the downswing. I think, looking at ANY of the thousands of videos available, its easy to picture a 'mini shoulder, swing plane, a slightly larger 'arm, or better combined arms' swing plane, and lastly the famous 'golf club' swing plane. Yes, a whole lot has been analyzed that these are NOT the same planes, bla bla bla.

True, BUT IMO, real physicists should be able to agree on one thing; that UNTIL IMPACT, the closer the shoulder plane is to the inclination of the golf club plane, the higher will be the club angular velocity. In real technical terms, 'the angular momentum vectors' need to be aligned for maximum energy to be transferred.

So, OLIVER1, just look at your video and see if your 'shoulder plane' is staying inclined, or if it is 'going horizontal' PREMATURELY BEFORE IMPACT. Very fortunately, even standard video at 30 frames a second is more than adequate to check this area.

Finally, lets combine all of the above to conclude that 'tight forearms', or too much 'right hand activity', or 'running out of right arm' ALL will affect the downswing plane of the shoulders, and IMO (remember, I am not scientifically sure and am asking for the BLOGS help here), reduce club head speed.

As Ripley said, " Believe it or not ???"

COMMENTS PLEASE !!!!!!!
 
Thanks very much Art. Yes, my shoulder plane is very flat as I release/force the right arm early in a desperate attempt to get the bloody thing moving downwards instead of sawing across my body.

Just not sure why my arms lock up in that position. I have a feeling my right elbow gets trapped behind my right side, and like the genie in the bottle, when it gets free I'll have my three wishes. A riddle wrapped in a mystery, and, when I finally get it figured, no doubt I'll have to spend time unwrapping the enigma!!....:mad:

Thanks once again Art.
Regards
Oliver1
 

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Thanks very much Art. Yes, my shoulder plane is very flat as I release/force the right arm early in a desperate attempt to get the bloody thing moving downwards instead of sawing across my body.

Just not sure why my arms lock up in that position. I have a feeling my right elbow gets trapped behind my right side, and like the genie in the bottle, when it gets free I'll have my three wishes. A riddle wrapped in a mystery, and, when I finally get it figured, no doubt I'll have to spend time unwrapping the enigma!!....:mad:

Thanks once again Art.
Regards
Oliver1

Dear OLIVER1,

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read the various 'Inner Game of Golf' related posts a few of us made recently. You are very near IMPROVEMENT BREAKTHROUGH TERRITORY.

Especially pay attention to the 'Awareness Instruction/learning example I defined.

My experiences with most of the golfers I have shown the increased dynamic balance and stability move(s) to, had to listen and perform to my 'Awareness education and application process'.

For you and this flat shoulder, and right arm related restriction, nirvana is very near.

Please, just assign '3' for your present 'flat shoulder' swing, assign 2, if, after the swing, you are aware the left shoulder went up an inclined plane about like the overall swing plane, and assign a '1' if your awareness says YOU WENT VERTICAL.

You want to simply 'unlearn making 3's, strive for an awareness string of '1's, and trust Tim Gallwey and your truly, you will very soon be getting strings of 2's with unbelievable results, and a right side that 'optimized' itself.

Please let us know what happens.
 
Crikey, Art, you are magnificent. You're like my priest, psychologist and golf coach all rolled into one merry bundle....Quite the polymath.
I'm half thinking of inviting you around to fix my car...:)

I shall be working hard to get to the numbers. (Coincidentally enough, my swing already looks and acts like a number 2, but probably not quite what you had in mind!!!

Warmest as Ever
Oliver1
 
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