GOLF magazine article Trevor Immelman

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Drew_MN

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There is something that has been eating at me all darn week and I need to post...I just got March issue of GOLF magazine. Anyway, I searched to web to try to find the article to post a link but had no luck. Theres a section presented by Trevor Immelman in there on how he says he looks for certain moves and positions in his golf swing to build a swing you can trust. Including something that struck me as going against anything Ive ever read or seen anywhere on this forum in particular...and especially TGM. He has a image of himself w/ the clubhead passing his hands just afer impact?!?!?...theres a quote from him saying "FEEL THE CLUB PASSING YOUR HANDS THROUGH IMPACT." ...also, next to that theres an image of bent right wrist and flat left wrist with a quote saying this is "UNATHLETIC a power sap"?? Ok for last 1.5 yrs set out on a quest to improve my own game. That path has taken many turns...TGM hours upon hours on the range, a lesson here and there searching for the answer. Brians CFF and SD have been the fix I was looking for, or at least got me closer to it. Closer than ive ever been. Especially, in terms of understanding a golf swing and most importantly, curing me of the FLIP. So....fast fwd to today/this week and going into it theres one common thread since ive learned to golf w/out flipping and that is flat left wrist and bent rt wrist is essential in my own game. Its real for me. So, I read and look to validate that everywhere...and I read this magazine article and i want to call this guy and ask him WTF hes saying? Somebody help me sort this out. You may have to see the article to have it make sense rather than from what im babbling here so somebody shed some light here...please. Its the March 09 issue of GOLF the magazine. I cant be the only one whos seen this? maybe im missing something.

Drew
 
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thefuture37

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anytime you see something like that, file it under the "feel vs real" category.

leadbetter wrote about how immelman's original swing was a hold off fade because he grew up playing in windy conditions. so for immelman, feeling like he is flipping it a little bit probably makes him not have too much forward lean. but he is definitely NOT a flipper.
 
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Brian has said the same thing about Nicklaus(or similar). Nicklaus said you can't release to early(which probably ruined a lot of golfers) but in his mind it was correct. He had so much float loading that on the way down he was increasing lag so he had to feel like letting it go early which in reality theres no way he was.
 
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shortgamer said:
Brian has said the same thing about Nicklaus(or similar). Nicklaus said you can't release to early(which probably ruined a lot of golfers) but in his mind it was correct. He had so much float loading that on the way down he was increasing lag so he had to feel like letting it go early which in reality theres no way he was.
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Release according to Nicklaus meant extending the arms, getting clubhead as far from the left shoulder as possible, not flipping. Martin Hall has a great video discussing this on Youtube.
 
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I saw that article and the pictures.

Brian has said that people need to learn to hit the front edge divot shot, but he also said:

"to keep the left wrist flat—post impact—REQUIRES some "EXTRA MOVEMENT" from a PURE SWING (not talking about TGM "swinging" ala "Drag Loading).

That EXTRA MOVEMENT may slow you down."

So for some people, it may speed you up to soften the left wrist some after impact and that may be the feel you need if you are Trevor Immelman (and "Masters-winners" is a pretty small subset of the golfing world). After all, it's the d-plane and clubhead speed that matters and post impact matters only to the extent it influences impact, right?

I will say that if the guy I play with who, I think, qualifies as what Brian would call a "stone cold flipper" and drives the ball very well at times but can't hit a 100 yard wedge off anything but a fluffy lie to save his life happened to read Trevor's comments and tried them out, the results might not be pretty.
 
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Drew MN,

I see your frustration. There is definitely a case of feel vs real and the feel helps Immelman.

Related story: During the PGA Show, my wife and I had a booth promoting my teaching aide. A pretty good striker PGA Member said, "I can still flip it!" and made some awkward swings that produced a decent result. I said, "let me film that FLIP." He agreed and I showed him the slo-mo. The shaft had forward lean at impact. It didn't have the forward lean he was accustomed too, and he was "FLIPPING" in his mind, but the shaft said otherwise.

We all feel different things. I have a similar feel to Immelman with the driver! On video, the the feel isn't real. Right now, I'm driving the ball as good as I ever did when I played professionally and it's all with Brian's feel of "Shaking the sugar." I LOVE that FEEEEEEEEL.
 
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Another point raised in the article. TI says he wants cupped left wrist and open clubface at the top. I'd like to hear Brian's reaction to that.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Another point raised in the article. TI says he wants cupped left wrist and open clubface at the top. I'd like to hear Brian's reaction to that.
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How about this:

In the pattern I am working on right now—"Pattern 13"—I am purposely bending my left wrist backward just past impact.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Fine - but would you ever recommend a cupped left wrist and open face at the top?
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Would I ever?

Sure.

A golfer who has a lot of down arch, and a problem with a closed face, I would certainly try it.

I have LOTS of students with cupped left wrists (and neutral clubfaces) at the top.
 
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bray

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What's funny about this whole thing is Immelman is on the cover of that same Golf Magazine well into his finish still maintaining a flat left wrist.

B-Ray
 
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Drew_MN

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so what he says he feels in his swing is not what he actually does, cuz if he did do what he says ( you have to see pic) im pretty sure hes not playing on the tour....or even better Im pretty sure I got a chance against him in my golf league :D. That pic of him in the article is what i saw countless times in video of my own swing when i was trying to lose the flip. And you definitely dont see that position in clips of him while actually playing. Its not possible is it?? So I can understand someone saying this is what the feel for them is like in their particular swing I guess, but to publish that picture of him breaking down at the hit like that, is what I still can wrap my head around.
 
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