Golfing Machine Science.

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Brian Manzella

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One point at a time, ok??


The ball is resilient.

The ball is resilient. Not like a rock or a spoonful of clay.

Golfwise, there are 2 basics 'uses' of this fact.

#1. The more you compress or mash the ball, the further the ball will travel at any given impact speed.

One of the most important factors is doing this, is keeping the ball as close as possible to the original contact point on the face.

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#2. Since 99.99999% of all golf swings are on a curve (to the target and plane lines) and 99.99998 clubfaces open on the backswing and close on the downswing, and the ball is on the face for about 3/4th of an inch, the clubface should be OPEN (some) at impact for the ball to go straight.

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horton

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This thread has be ADDED to by your host, Brian Manzella. The only thing edited out that were written by horton, were not on the subject.

Horton: Pretty pictures, Brian, now please provide the reference source for them.

Brian Manzella: The pictures are my own, PRECISELY drawn from over 40,000 hours of MY research and development.

For a more exact reference. I have pictures taken at 40,000 FRAMES a second, given to me by Ping Golf.

Horton: Btw, I did, in my previous posts, state that the Impact Interval was about 3/4 inch with ball Compression occuring in the first 3/8 inch and ball Rebound in the last 3/8 inch. Compression force on the resilient ball peaks halfway through the Impact Interval according to valid scientific measurements.

Brian Manzella: No kidding.

Look at the pictures. Don't you think I know that? Yes the ball REBOUNDS off of the face. THAT's the point. The ball will start based on where the face is POINTING AFTER it leaves the face....which is after compression and rebound. Got it??

No really...got it???

Horton: Due to the slowness of the body's neurological systems, you can't even FEEL the Impact Event in REAL TIME. By the time you FEEL Homer's LOC, the ball is several feet off the tee. No way to "produce, manipulate and sustain" Homer's LOC - "The Principle of Golf", as he claims must be done.

Brian Manzella: Give me a break, dude.

I have explained this in at LEAST two other threads.

The Line of Compression is The line the sweetspot of the club moves through the ball. EVERYONE has a 'line of compression,' by this definition, even a hacker.

So....and this is FOR THE LAST TIME, pal, "producing, manipulating and sustaining" the line of compression is simply the following:

Producing: Making a swing that makes contact with the ball. Period.

Manipulating: Want a ball that curves left..or right...or goes low or high, or dead straight. Well you have to 'manipulate' your LINE OF SWEETSPOT TRAVEL to produce all of the above. Period.

Sustaining: On a lob shot, Phil Mickelson swings his wedge 80mph. The same wedge that if he hits it perfect travels 100 yards. But since he is hitting a LOB SHOT...a shot where you DELIBERATELY DO NOT SUSTAIN te imapct point on the face as close as loft will allow, but ON PURPOSE try to slide the clubface under the ball, JUST GRAZING IT!!!

Got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????!

If he sustains the SWEETSPOT LINE OF TRAVEL's CONTACT POINT as CLOSE AS LOFT WILL ALLOW....then.......

Homer would say: He is 'sustaining the line of compression.'

GOT IT!!???


Horton: As for your 3º open clubface at the point of Initial Impact, that may be valid for Releases with a Rolling Wrist action where Left hand supination is required to bring the clubface to the ball. However for No-release wrist action where the club is maintained Square to Impact, the contact may be flush to the ball. (Read Chapter 16 - Search for the Perfect Swing.)

Brian Manzella: Nope. You are WRONG, yet again!

My illustrations were PRECISELY drawn for ZERO clubface 'roll' from the 'path'.

Surely, you can maintain a square clubface through impact, as in a Dave Pelz two footer, but NOBODY who plays at a high level does ANYTHING remotely like that.


Horton: If in fact the clubface has +/- 1º deviation from the suggested 3º open how significant will this be to the incredibly short Impact Event? Do you have data on that?

Brian Manzella: The ball WILL NOT go straight. PERIOD.

I have so much data on that, and there IS so much data on that, it is silly for you to even ask.
 
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corky05

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Sorry, Horton, but, if I have my choice between Brian and Yoda helping many respectful forum followers or Brian catering to one malcontent and Yoda's participation dropping off the charts, I would want you to take a hike. You have been nothing but poison to this site. But, not for the reasons your huge ego would have you believe.
Lately, Brian gives you 90% of his time and his remaining forum members 10%. The funny thing is, you'll never go to LA or KY to take a lesson from him, because you have already told us all, we're a bunch of imbiciles and you're so intelligent. At the end of the day its a business decision for Brian. Spend all of his time on you and not sell a video or give a lesson to you, or help many who come to the lesson with the right motivation and attitude. Its not Brian's job to convince you of anything, nor Yoda's or anybody elses. You can believe anything you want. You have told everybody hear your position about Homer and TGM, Ad Nausium.
Sometimes, I think somebody has planted you here to torpedo this forum. Your attacks have been so callous. By far your addition to this forum has got to be the all time low. My son and I would like to take lessons from Brian in the near future, however, since your presence the forum has gotten a little monotonous.
From the bottom of my heart I say, thanks for taking one of my simple pleasures and making it your personal medium to attack and insult the things and people I love and respect. And, to Brian, I say, I think you and I are alike! We've always done more with less, we're definitly overachievers, probably because of our work ethic and stubbornness, the latter being a double edge sword. Don't let your stubborn nature undermine your core clientele.
Brian, If LSU ever comes to Georgia or Gamecocks and you are in my neck of the woods, Greenville,SC, give me a shout. You call or e-mail that you're in my proximity and I'm taking a lesson. Not maybe! I would never miss an opportunity like that. My son and I will both take lessons, you have my word on that.
Horton, much to your surprise, nobody here is concerned about TGM becoming obsolete or ill regarded in the public eye. TGM has its contingent, as do other forms of golf instruction. I'm curious why you have never felt compelled to save other followers of other forums? HOW DID WE GET SO LUCKY?
 
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lagster

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Brian... what if one is PUTTING on an inclined plane using Horizontal Hinging? Contact the inside aft quad, or the back? The pictures are very good, by the way!!
 
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bts

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I thought that 3-degree-open horizontally at initial contact is for the "angled hinge action". How about the change of degree in loft (vertical-wise)? A 3-degree-close at initial contact, I guess.

It seems "vertical hinge" adds loft, yet maintains 0-degree change horizontally, to the clubface.

Is the horizontal openness supposed to be larger than 3-degree at initial contact in "horizontal hinge action", which also de-lofts the clubface?
 
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drewitgolf

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Would you say that separation occurs before low point in a geometrically correct impact and separation (with horizontal hinging)?
 
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horton

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So you say that during the 0.5 ms Impact Interval the clubhead will rotate 3º resulting in a square separation? I don't think so Brian, because that means the clubhead is rotating an equivalent of 1000 rpm in that short distance over that short time. Your suggestion that the club must impact the ball with an open face seems hardly feasible nor probable.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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quote:Originally posted by horton

So you say that during the 0.5 ms Impact Interval the clubhead will rotate 3º resulting in a square separation? I don't think so Brian, because that means the clubhead is rotating an equivalent of 1000 rpm in that short distance over that short time. Your suggestion that the club must impact the ball with an open face seems hardly feasible nor probable.
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I've guess you've never seen CBS's swing vision camera during a tournament last year?

I highly advise to you record/tivo events that are aired on CBS and fast foward to when they are using it. You can clearly see (especially with the driver) an open face at impact, a "closing" effect, and then the ball leaving the face.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Horton,

When the club hits down on the ball--and that's what you do if your are a real golfer---The INSIDE-AFT QUADRANT is what the clubhead is moving toward.

For your theory to be correct, the clubface would have to rotae open to the plane going back, square up for impact, stop rotating through separation, then start closing to the plane again...

...ALL of this in the little bitty time you keep yaking about.

What you are saying makes NO LOGICAL sense.
 
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