Great Players without a Neutral Grip

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There are great players who don't use a neutral grip (flat left wrist matching leading edge). How did they play so well without a neutral grip and what can we learn from them?

Some examples are Lee Trevino and Sergio Garcia (currently number one ranked in GIR).
 
hogan grip

Ricky1990 said:
how many knuckles did hogan see on his left hand and right hand?

try this for starters. Scroll down and there will be an article on Hogan grip.

http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6423

In his book, hogan mentions that he compensated his grip a bit for his particular swing and that the indivdual golfer should do the same. In particular, I believe he addressed the issue of the left thumb and its position. Hogan is more down the middle, whereas Itallion's is the aft side of the grip, meaning it is slighlty right.

Something that also stands out with Hogan is describing the pressure of the knuckle above the right pointing finger. It presses against the left thumb and toward the target. This feel or sensation might better serve as the position of the right hand. But careful to not lose the connection of the low side of the hands, the pad area, a pressure point in TGM lingo...

dunno if this will answer your question about knuckles, but it is a start to the grip that might work for you...
 
one moe thing, If u still prescribe to the "one plane swing", I would not advise the Hogan grip. Better to be the motocycle man...
 
if you focus on counting knuckles you better be sure that your head is in the exact same spot everytime you count those knuckles and the hand locaction better be the same when you are counting. a flat left wrist with hands at the front thigh, or a cupped left wrist with mid body hands, give them the same grip they wont see the same amount of knuckles
 
i think the best way to see how strong your grip is stand next to a mirror take your grip and take the club to the top so when you look at the mirror you can see yourself from a down the line view. With a flat left wrist use your right hand and twist the club in your left hand till the leading edge is parralell to your left arm. That will then be a nuetral grip. Then bring it back down to address and look a that grip and remember it. Then make slight adjustments stronger or weaker to suit what you want. if you look at pictures from down the line of the best players almost all of them have this parralell to left arm look maybe slightly off but well within the guidlines in my opinion of a nuetral grip. an example of a player that doesnt is trevino. Most players with strong grips though clubfaces still actually look parralel to the left arm except the left wrist is cupped at the top wich, but in almost all of these cases including trevino these people shift there target line 5-15 degrees or so right to accomadate the strong grip. Trevino had aproximately 10 degree closed clubface then shifted his plane line 8 degrees on the downswing and hit a push cut. witch is basically the same thing azinger duval couples do, just a compensation for there grip types wich has its advantages. try it for yourself take a weak grip grip and try to hit a push with it tough to do and hit it straight right without trying to square the face with your arms, then hit a pull alot easier to hit it straight although it will go staight pull. Stregthen your grip and try to hit a pull hard to hit it straight will pull hook but easy to hit a straight push. Basically grip has to downswing plane line so a nuetral grip works with a player who wants to hit it straight down his base line. stronger a player who wants to hit it straight push and weaker a player who wants to hit it straight left wich you almost never see most weaker grip players just try to hit it straight and use ther body or arms to try to square the clubface like curtis strange. just one way to compensate
 
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In a video when brian was speakin about the neatral grip he held the club out in front of him with his left hand and made sure his left wrist was parrelel with the clubface.

thats how I think you find what your natural neatra grip is. Im going to start to do this tommorow on the range to make sure I get into a god neatral grip and it will make my left wrist flat at impact and at the top of the swing.
 

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bantamben2 said:
i think the best way to see how strong your grip is stand next to a mirror take your grip and take the club to the top so when you look at the mirror you can see yourself from a down the line view. With a flat left wrist use your right hand and twist the club in your left hand till the leading edge is parralell to your left arm. That will then be a nuetral grip. Then bring it back down to address and look a that grip and remember it. Then make slight adjustments stronger or weaker to suit what you want. if you look at pictures from down the line of the best players almost all of them have this parralell to left arm look maybe slightly off but well within the guidlines in my opinion of a nuetral grip. an example of a player that doesnt is trevino. Most players with strong grips though clubfaces still actually look parralel to the left arm except the left wrist is cupped at the top wich, but in almost all of these cases including trevino these people shift there target line 5-15 degrees or so right to accomadate the strong grip. Trevino had aproximately 10 degree closed clubface then shifted his plane line 8 degrees on the downswing and hit a push cut. witch is basically the same thing azinger duval couples do, just a compensation for there grip types wich has its advantages. try it for yourself take a weak grip grip and try to hit a push with it tough to do and hit it straight right without trying to square the face with your arms, then hit a pull alot easier to hit it straight although it will go staight pull. Stregthen your grip and try to hit a pull hard to hit it straight will pull hook but easy to hit a straight push. Basically grip has to downswing plane line so a nuetral grip works with a player who wants to hit it straight down his base line. stronger a player who wants to hit it straight push and weaker a player who wants to hit it straight left wich you almost never see most weaker grip players just try to hit it straight and use ther body or arms to try to square the clubface like curtis strange. just one way to compensate

I like this post! It was a little hard to read b/c no paragraphs . . . but very well thought out. I will re-read. But this is the "latituted" in instruction/components that Mr. K was driving at.

Nice post!

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