Grip changes from neutral to stronger during swing.. how do i fix this?

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mithong

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Im currently working on NSA, using a manzella neutral grip at the start of the swing... however I find that when I check my grip after my swing, my grip almost always changes to a stronger grip during the swing...

As a result, I've been battling hooks, even the occasional duck hook.

Are there any drills or things that I can focus on to keep my grip consistent throughout the swing?
 
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Thought one. Maybe you have correctly taken the Manzella Neutral grip, or maybe not. Maybe you are letting go of the grip during the swing. Does grip got stronger mean that using the Manzella face alignment test holding the arm and club parallel to the ground the before is less closed than the after?

What about your glove? Do you see rub marks below the heel of the hand. If this change is occurring during the swing, you would expect to see wear marks over time.

The above questions are to frame the problem, rather than solve it. You can't solve an undefined question.
 
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softconsult said:
Thought one. Maybe you have correctly taken the Manzella Neutral grip, or maybe not. Maybe you are letting go of the grip during the swing. Does grip got stronger mean that using the Manzella face alignment test holding the arm and club parallel to the ground the before is less closed than the after?

What about your glove? Do you see rub marks below the heel of the hand. If this change is occurring during the swing, you would expect to see wear marks over time.

The above questions are to frame the problem, rather than solve it. You can't solve an undefined question.
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yes, the clubface becomes more closed after... and yes, both my gloves pretty much have holes around the heel of the hand
 
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Then it's logical to conclude that you aren't taking the grip correctly. The heel of your lead hand is not on top of the club enough. When you get it right you will eliminate the grip movement and feel very in control the the club.

I've posted this before, but we will risk redundancy. I go for my one Brian lesson so far, and the first thing he zeroed in on was my grip. I have had a decent grip for at least 40 years, but it wasn't as good as Brian wanted it to be. We spent around 45 minutes, or so it seemed, going over exactly how to do the grip and check the clubface alignment.

One key element is holding the club up at a 45 degree angle to the ground, then placing the grip in the fingers of the lead hand with some diagonal orientation. Then the trick is wrapping your hand around the grip by leading with the heel of the hand. His method is to pretend you are shooting a water pistol with the lead hand index finger and the thumb. You take them off the grip and shoot the water to left. This makes the top of your hand go concave and gets the heel of your lead hand on top of the grip.

For a person used to a weaker grip, like me, it feels strong, but it's simply less weak.
 
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By "both my gloves" are you saying you wear a right hand and a left hand glove to play golf, or do you mean you have two left hand gloves?
 
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softconsult said:
Then it's logical to conclude that you aren't taking the grip correctly. The heel of your lead hand is not on top of the club enough. When you get it right you will eliminate the grip movement and feel very in control the the club.

I've posted this before, but we will risk redundancy. I go for my one Brian lesson so far, and the first thing he zeroed in on was my grip. I have had a decent grip for at least 40 years, but it wasn't as good as Brian wanted it to be. We spent around 45 minutes, or so it seemed, going over exactly how to do the grip and check the clubface alignment.

One key element is holding the club up at a 45 degree angle to the ground, then placing the grip in the fingers of the lead hand with some diagonal orientation. Then the trick is wrapping your hand around the grip by leading with the heel of the hand. His method is to pretend you are shooting a water pistol with the lead hand index finger and the thumb. You take them off the grip and shoot the water to left. This makes the top of your hand go concave and gets the heel of your lead hand on top of the grip.

For a person used to a weaker grip, like me, it feels strong, but it's simply less weak.
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thats the thing, when i use a slightly stronger grip, it is easier for me to keep the heelpad on top of the club, but when i use a weaker grip, its hard for me to keep that heelpad on top, because the hand isnt turned over to the right as much.
 
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i also do have extremely sweaty hands too, and im wondering if that may be a huge factor (on hot days, i can clench my fist and drip sweat from my hands)
 
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You may also be re-gripping the club just as you start your backswing. I had this issue and I had to keep concentrating to keep my left hand grip tight enough, so I could not do it. Took a while to fix it but it's not been a problem since.
 
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I'm sure sweaty hands can't help, but I really don't follow your logic. You say that stronger grip makes it easier to get the heel on top and weaker makes it less easy to get the heel on top. Of course that's true, that's what we are talking about. Weak grip causing you to let go of the club.

Your goal is to change your grip to the one with your heel pad more on top of the grip so that stops happening. That doesn't mean that you can't rotate the clubface in your hand as you take your grip, to get the alignment you need.

You could also be death gripping it with your right hand and contributing to the problem. Many ways to get it wrong.

Isn't golf fun!
 
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mithong said:
i also do have extremely sweaty hands too, and im wondering if that may be a huge factor (on hot days, i can clench my fist and drip sweat from my hands)
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I have a big issue with this, in a round a couple weeks ago, my bottom ( right ) hand nearly totally came off the club. Jim K, if I'm not mistaken, said something about a product he used on his hands to keep them from getting sweaty during a round. Might have to ask him about that. ;) It has been VERY hot & humid here in the Mid-Atlantic already - July should be great!::eek:

Also, I too had a "weak" grip that Damon has helped me change. It has become pretty natural, but I still monitor it just to make sure.
 
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