Grip pressure for - Hitter Vs Swinger
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A hitter will generally grip tighter than a swinger because a hitter is 'fighting' rotation, and a swinger is 'allowing' it.
Imagine you were to swing a hockey stick like object, but with a very long blade. All things being equal, the blade will align itself with the direction/plane of force (why people slice, in part). A hitter resists the blade rotation and must provide a firmer grip to do so. A swinger, by contrast, needs to create the 'throw out' force (rotation) that will square up the blade. You could also argue that a hitter might tend to be more upright, and a swinger more flat because of those conditions, although there are no hard and fast rules there IMO.
Imagine you were to swing a hockey stick like object, but with a very long blade. All things being equal, the blade will align itself with the direction/plane of force (why people slice, in part). A hitter resists the blade rotation and must provide a firmer grip to do so. A swinger, by contrast, needs to create the 'throw out' force (rotation) that will square up the blade. You could also argue that a hitter might tend to be more upright, and a swinger more flat because of those conditions, although there are no hard and fast rules there IMO.
tongzilla
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The centrifugal force the swinger creates should produce the correct rate of clubface closing for horizontal hinging. Alas, it's not so simple! Everything being equal, if you grip too tight you're not letting CF 'square the face up'. Grip too loose, then CF may produce an 'over-roll' of the clubface imparting hook spin on the ball.
Steve Khatib
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Do you want high,med or low thrust? Drive or drag the pivot and acc lag against the appropriate pressure points to achieve different results.
oztrainee
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Dear Mr. 4 Barrels OZ, What is the meaning of "Drive and Drag the Pivot". Personally I find that apart from EDZ and Tongz's quotes. imo, particularly too much pressure at address on # 3 PP will create some strange compensating stroke.
As to our discussion with Tongz, it is so difficult to have firm grip and soft wrist. So, if you are a true swinger, would that be a good idea of just leaving both grip and wrist to be soft.
As to our discussion with Tongz, it is so difficult to have firm grip and soft wrist. So, if you are a true swinger, would that be a good idea of just leaving both grip and wrist to be soft.
The way I see it is that the grip should be relaxed from address to the point where the wrists begin to unhinge. Once the unhinging begins the fingers need to be holding on for dear life! It makes no difference if you are a hitter or swinger. However, a player with a very quick tempo will have a tighter hold on the club.
Brian Manzella
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Brian Manzella
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Should work now.
tongzilla
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MJ posted a while a ago about a scientific study on grip pressure.
Results showed that the pros right hand grip pressure dropped to near zero at impact while the handicapped golfer tightened their pressure.
Now I'm not saying we should all loosen our grip just before impact, but...what do you have to say about this Brian?
Results showed that the pros right hand grip pressure dropped to near zero at impact while the handicapped golfer tightened their pressure.
Now I'm not saying we should all loosen our grip just before impact, but...what do you have to say about this Brian?
oztrainee
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WIthout a doubt the fingers must be firm to grip and with a flexible wrist. But I am talking about the pressure point. 3-F-5 as one of the alignment check is the pressure points.
IMO, if you are a true hiter, I think it is no harm to have a firmer grip, but for a true Swinger, particularly if you are applying too much pressure on the right hand; all sort of funny thing will come out.
Any comment on V J's grip?
Thanks
IMO, if you are a true hiter, I think it is no harm to have a firmer grip, but for a true Swinger, particularly if you are applying too much pressure on the right hand; all sort of funny thing will come out.
Any comment on V J's grip?
Thanks
"for a true Swinger, particularly if you are applying too much pressure on the right hand; all sort of funny thing will come out."
VJ obviously confirms this as does research on the subject. Too much right hand interference will cause early loss of wristcock up to the extreme of flipping.
VJ obviously confirms this as does research on the subject. Too much right hand interference will cause early loss of wristcock up to the extreme of flipping.
oztrainee
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Thanks MJ, I got some reassurance from you. "Firm grip and flexible wrist" cam be a damgerous word to use, obviously that does not apply to some good players, but the more rudimentary player's skill, the more dangerous the "dangerous" is.
Let me experiment on 10-1-C tomorrow... and see what happen Hee hee...
Let me experiment on 10-1-C tomorrow... and see what happen Hee hee...
The following study summary was posted about a year ago on the SA forum
'Evaluation of golf club control by grip pressure measurement'
Budney & Bellow
Dept. of Mechanical Engineering
University of Alberta
From Science & Golf
Proceeding of the First World Scientific Congress of Golf
This paper discusses grip pressure and its relative importance in the mechanics of the golf swing. Two aspects of grip pressure were investigated; the first was whether golfers should deliberately apply light or firm grip pressure. The method involved a specially designed golf club with pressure transducers which conform to the shape of the grip.
The second objective was to determine the precise moment (and corresponding position in the downswing) when the golfer "hits" with each hand. In this paper, the pressure impulses related to the "hit" with the hands are related to results from a dynamic model of the swing. In relation to this aspect, professional golfers demonstrate common features. Differences as to the timing of each hand and the extent to which each hand is involved in the late hit impulse is shown to vary considerably amongst golfers.
The diagrams associated with the pressure measurements show that for an 11 handicap golfer the right hand pressure (presumed by the researchers to be indicative of the 'hit') peaked 0.03 seconds (1 video frame) prior to impact, dropped and then went up again at impact. The duration of the drop in pressure is so small that the 2 sides of the trace touch.
For two professionals (they only included graphs for 2 as they were all similar) the right hand pressure peaked 0.07 and 0.05 seconds (apx 2 video frames or '6/100s') before impact, went down and was near zero at impact and then continued down to zero shortly (equiv. to apx 1 video frame) after impact.
In addition right hand pressure in transition (top of swing) increased for the 11 hdcp and decreased for the professionals.
'Evaluation of golf club control by grip pressure measurement'
Budney & Bellow
Dept. of Mechanical Engineering
University of Alberta
From Science & Golf
Proceeding of the First World Scientific Congress of Golf
This paper discusses grip pressure and its relative importance in the mechanics of the golf swing. Two aspects of grip pressure were investigated; the first was whether golfers should deliberately apply light or firm grip pressure. The method involved a specially designed golf club with pressure transducers which conform to the shape of the grip.
The second objective was to determine the precise moment (and corresponding position in the downswing) when the golfer "hits" with each hand. In this paper, the pressure impulses related to the "hit" with the hands are related to results from a dynamic model of the swing. In relation to this aspect, professional golfers demonstrate common features. Differences as to the timing of each hand and the extent to which each hand is involved in the late hit impulse is shown to vary considerably amongst golfers.
The diagrams associated with the pressure measurements show that for an 11 handicap golfer the right hand pressure (presumed by the researchers to be indicative of the 'hit') peaked 0.03 seconds (1 video frame) prior to impact, dropped and then went up again at impact. The duration of the drop in pressure is so small that the 2 sides of the trace touch.
For two professionals (they only included graphs for 2 as they were all similar) the right hand pressure peaked 0.07 and 0.05 seconds (apx 2 video frames or '6/100s') before impact, went down and was near zero at impact and then continued down to zero shortly (equiv. to apx 1 video frame) after impact.
In addition right hand pressure in transition (top of swing) increased for the 11 hdcp and decreased for the professionals.
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