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Kevin Shields
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Absolutely. I got to play with Funk years ago at a tourney in Pa. What a great guy, hit it dead straight all day. I was amazed at how "soft" the hit was, though. He didn't have the old McHatton "dump down" force. Early realease with the driver, picked all his irons (shot 67 though!). So I'm sure Miller is givin him the old left wrist battering ram treatment.
Bronco Billy
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If JM is stating that more Distance can be Gained by Sustaining Force thru Impact he is Dead Ass Wrong........ Mass and Velocity are the only Factors that Determine Escape Velocity..... Since Mass is Fixed... Guess what only Velocity Determines How Fast the Golf Ball Leaves the ClubHead.... As Mandrin says the ClubHead and the Golf Ball have a Very Private Meeting Thru Impact....In this Private Meeting Velocities exchanges are Negotiated according to The Law of Conservation of momentum......
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Jim Kobylinski
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I think they were probably just trying to get more SNAP in his swing to create more speed.
Kevin Shields
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Certainly sounds like you're in the know with the science. Is it possible the THOUGHT of a heavier force for a good player produces more lag and thus more speed? Funk definately has a little leakage, right side chase, high finish, hang on.
jeffgladchun
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I'm not sure that this is entirely correct. From a physics standpoint, perhaps, but you've got to take into account the fact that if a greater percentage of the golf ball's core is "compressed" the ball velocity will be greater. If you can in fact "compress" the ball more entirely it's very possible that more distance will be achieved.
Bronco Billy
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Your Statement is FALSE...... There is No Room for Negotiation.... You Do not Believe Me..... Who would you Believe? Would you Believe Brian Manzella? If So ask Him......
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Bronco Billy
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jeffgladchun
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Hi There
Your Statement is FALSE...... There is No Room for Negotiation.... You Do not Believe Me..... Who would you Believe? Would you Believe Brian Manzella? If So ask Him......
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Maybe we can agree on this: (perhaps my understanding is less complete than your understanding, so bear with me) If the center of mass of the clubhead (effectually the sweetspot) is delivered to the effective center of the ball (I understand that it really approaches the ball from the inside with a slightly open face) that the energy of the clubhead will be transferred more efficiently. And if there is a certain way to deliver the clubhead in this manner ie. descending blow from slightly inside with a slightly open clubface then that way is the most efficient way to transfer energy and will breed greater accuracy and distance.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just telling you my musings on the subject.
Maybe Brian can clarify.
Kevin Shields
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I Have No Friggen Idea......
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That's actually pretty funny. Allow me to rephrase.Even though the "heavy hit" theory is debunked by your science, there has to be a way to produce more distance than just increased velocity. Certainly, 100mph of clubhead speed with leakage won't collide with the ball the same as 95mph sustained through separation.
bcoak
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Back when The Country Club had the Open that Strange won I was watching a round that Norman and Seve were playing together. Seve teed off with this "soft" swing and you could barely hear the ball/club impact. Norman teed off next and it was like an explosion. I had never heard a ball hit like that. Who was better (in non-physics)?
StewartBannatyne
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I agree...the way I look at it is, would you rather be hit by a block of steel or a block of bubble gum moving at 100 miles per hour?
In my mind, a heavier hit would relate to more compression. Maybe not influence distance incredibly, but certainly change the shape and trajectory of the shot. High, floating shots would be flatter, more peircing bullets with a "heavier hit", no?
Stew
Jim Kobylinski
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This thread is getting off topic and there are 100s of posts on this site where Mandrin has debunked the theory of the heavy hit.
If Brian himself can admit that he was wrong that he too believed in this, then everyone else should.
The reality is this:
A clubhead traveling at 100mph with whether that clubhead is:
- accelerating
- decelerating
- being "thrown away"
- whatever else kind of reason you are going to come up with
is going to create the same amount of ball speed. Now the launch conditions might be different and distance might be slightly different due to the launch conditions, but the speed of the ball will be the same.
If Brian himself can admit that he was wrong that he too believed in this, then everyone else should.
The reality is this:
A clubhead traveling at 100mph with whether that clubhead is:
- accelerating
- decelerating
- being "thrown away"
- whatever else kind of reason you are going to come up with
is going to create the same amount of ball speed. Now the launch conditions might be different and distance might be slightly different due to the launch conditions, but the speed of the ball will be the same.
Kevin Shields
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I apologize. I was always under the impression that the collision slowed down the clubhead some 20%, and those that maintained only that reduction rather than gave way to the collision, would reap the higher ball speed. Sounds logical, but i definately don't want to go head to head with Mandrin. I guess I'll start swinging harder.
Brian Manzella
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The heavy hit doesn't exist...but....
The "Heavy Hit" doesn't really exist.
So....what makes for a "good hit"??
That's it!
Now how do you create speed?
1. All the forces (Pivot, Arms, Wrists, Hands) going a directly as possible into the "hit."
2. Pivot Speed that breaks as suddenly and as late (before impact) as possible.
The "Heavy Hit" doesn't really exist.
So....what makes for a "good hit"??
1. Sweetspot Contact
2. No interference...so, on the way down when the ball is on the ground.
3. A "Straight-ish" Plane Line through the ball...i.e. a good "path."
4. A clubface that is where you need it to be—for the shot you are hitting—at separation.
5. The correct "Angle of Attack" for the shot at hand.
2. No interference...so, on the way down when the ball is on the ground.
3. A "Straight-ish" Plane Line through the ball...i.e. a good "path."
4. A clubface that is where you need it to be—for the shot you are hitting—at separation.
5. The correct "Angle of Attack" for the shot at hand.
That's it!
Now how do you create speed?
1. All the forces (Pivot, Arms, Wrists, Hands) going a directly as possible into the "hit."
2. Pivot Speed that breaks as suddenly and as late (before impact) as possible.
Bronco Billy
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Right You are Wrong Again and NO Negotiations Possible.... The ONLY Things we are Talking about is IMPACT VELOCITY And ESCAPE VELOCITY..... Where the Hell the Golf Ball goes Is of NO Friggen Matter.... Given Identical Conditions...... If a 90# Girl and Tiger Woods both Contact the Golf Ball Identically at 100 mph.... The Golf Ball Lands in the Same Place.....
Nothing will Change your Mind but You are Wrong..... This is a well known Fallacy you believe In and has been Dispelled by Physicists all Over the World....
It is My Understanding that Brian changed some of his Teaching methods when Mandrin Dispelled this Myth Again and Again and Again.....
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Bronco Billy
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I apologize. I was always under the impression that the collision slowed down the clubhead some 20%, and those that maintained only that reduction rather than gave way to the collision, would reap the higher ball speed. Sounds logical, but i definately don't want to go head to head with Mandrin. I guess I'll start swinging harder.
Hi There
Wrong Again.... Swing Faster Not Harder.....
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Kevin Shields
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I stand corrected. Good point
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