help - 2 problems

[cliffp]

1) chipping/pitching - one handed right hand chips and pitches are perfect. When I add the left hand - shanks galore. Only way I can stop shanking is to set up with the ball on the toe. I don't have to do this with the one hand chip - so I must be doing something differently.

2) full swing - when I reach the top of my backswing my club is slightly flat and then the club tilts very upright right before the downswing. The flat left wrist is lost and I then save the shot on the downswing. can't seem to stop the upright tilt of the club at the top?

 

[GPM1985]

What's your grip like?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

1) chipping/pitching - one handed right hand chips and pitches are perfect. When I add the left hand - shanks galore. Only way I can stop shanking is to set up with the ball on the toe. I don't have to do this with the one hand chip - so I must be doing something differently.

2) full swing - when I reach the top of my backswing my club is slightly flat and then the club tilts very upright right before the downswing. The flat left wrist is lost and I then save the shot on the downswing. can't seem to stop the upright tilt of the club at the top?

Boy are a sympton of having a too over-rotated left arm. Simpy put you are opening the face way too much in the backswing via arm rotation. This is why in the full swing you kind of steepen the path or come over it because you are getting the sweetspot to get back to the ball. You don't do that with your pitches and most likely why you are shanking it.

 

[rogerdodger]

1) watch left arm over rotation in short shots. When I stopped popout with the partial shots, the shanks went away, as did the chunks.

 

[cliffp]

Not sure what you guys mean. My grip is neutral to slightly strong. Boy are a sympton of having a too over-rotated left arm. What is boy? What is popout?

 

[mitch1981]

I am pretty sure he means both are a symptom

 

[dannyc]

Not sure what you guys mean. My grip is neutral to slightly strong. Boy are a sympton of having a too over-rotated left arm.

i.e., keep the clubface looking at the ball, don't lay it on the plane.

What is boy?

typo. should read "both"

What is popout?

an increase in the distance from your hands to your body in the takeaway.

 

[cliffp]

Aha! Thanks - now I get it!

 

[Brian Manzella]

Help is here....

1) chipping/pitching - one handed right hand chips and pitches are perfect. When I add the left hand - shanks galore. Only way I can stop shanking is to set up with the ball on the toe. I don't have to do this with the one hand chip - so I must be doing something differently.

Lots of folks chip and pitch better with the right hand only.

The left arm can mess up things easily, but mostly from getting too far away from your body going and coming, and the elbow pointing outward.

To cure yourself, do the following:

1. Turn the club WAY open. About 45°

2. Grip the club "normally" in your left hand relative to the ground.

3. Rotate the clubface back to square without changing your grip.

4. Grip it "normally" with your right hand.

5. Hit shots of different "short game" distances.

TRY TO HIT THEM STRAIGHT!

2) full swing - when I reach the top of my backswing my club is slightly flat and then the club tilts very upright right before the downswing. The flat left wrist is lost and I then save the shot on the downswing. can't seem to stop the upright tilt of the club at the top?

Do you have "The Soft Draw Pattern"?

 

[welshdentist]

Lots of folks chip and pitch better with the right hand only.

The left arm can mess up things easily, but mostly from getting too far away from your body going and coming, and the elbow pointing outward.

To cure yourself, do the following:

1. Turn the club WAY open. About 45°

2. Grip the club "normally" in your left hand relative to the ground.

3. Rotate the clubface back to square without changing your grip.

4. Grip it "normally" with your right hand.

5. Hit shots of different "short game" distances.

TRY TO HIT THEM STRAIGHT!





Do you have "The Soft Draw Pattern"?

Why does the left hand set that way help Brian?

 

[cliffp]

Well I have been experimenting and have found that if I hit chips or pitches with a square face, shanks galore. If I lay the face open, I do not shank. Not sure why - I would figure it would be the other way around? Any insight - thanks!