Help! Early Hips!

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Marcus0418

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I have a problem with clearing my hips too quickly on the downswing which causes me to work my pelvis under (towards the ball) and makes my right hip get infront of my right elbow forcing me to flip at the bottom. My foot work is good (right heel stays on the ground until impact) and I still hit the ball fairly well, but it's always just a high draw or pull and feels weak. I am frustrated because I know this is the one thing keeping me from having a good impact posistion and I'm seeking out any advice or drills from folks that may have had this problem before or might know a solution. Thanks!
 
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Dariusz J.

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I guess you leave too much weight on your right foot after transition just as there is no lateral CoG shift in your swing. Incorporating a "bump" lateral move before starting downswing may help you.

Cheers
 
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twitch127

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have a problem with clearing my hips too quickly on the downswing which causes me to work my pelvis under (towards the ball) and makes my right hip get infront of my right elbow forcing me to flip at the bottom. My foot work is good (right heel stays on the ground until impact) and I still hit the ball fairly well, but it's always just a high draw or pull and feels weak. I am frustrated because I know this is the one thing keeping me from having a good impact posistion and I'm seeking out any advice or drills from folks that may have had this problem before or might know a solution. Thanks
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If your crossing the line of flight and plane line during impact - then learn to trace a straighter plane line. I bet your right shoulder is not going in the correct dimensions during the downsing - you have too much down and not enough out. Do a test! put a club across your shoulders and make a backswing - now during the downswing does your right shoulder cover the ball at impact with the shaft. If it doesn't reach that far then you have too much down.
Work the right shoulder OUT to the ball and use a "underhand toss" release to stop the hand flip
The ball flight should then tell a pretty story!!:)
 
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puttmad

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Practice your swing with your butt against the end of a low wall....one butt cheek or the other should always be against the wall....

Marcus, why do you think you have to keep your right heel down?....it may not suit your swing...

If you are blocking your right arm then your left hip os staying forward too much...do you extend your left leg as you transfer your weight (i.e. the left hip will pull back) In that scenario, the right hip can still be around but will not block your arms....
 
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Marcus0418

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Hey guys, thanks for the advice, sorry it's taken me a little while to respond but I'm away from home and it's taken me some time to get to a computer.

Dariusz, I do a decent shift, I actually used to move laterally too much to the point where my left knee was closer to the target than my foot, but thanks though! =)

Twitch - That's interesting, I do seem to hit the ball a little better when ever i do (what feels to me to be) an over the top move when I try to move my right shoulder out and towards the target. Question though, I dont exactly follow the Manzella method, but I am a TGM student, if my right shoulder is nearly over the ball at impact (playing the ball about two balls or so inside of my left foot) would that not be too much shoulder turn at impact? I tried that and it feels more like I'm half way through my follow through

Puttmad - I like that drill, I've done that before and it was great at helping me in the begining. I keep my right foot down because my instructor and I found that I was raising the heel too quickly on the down swing which made me straighten up even more, so by keeping the heel down I've been able to keep my spine angle deeper into the down swing, but for some reason still find a way to straighten up right before or at P6 on the down swing even with my heel staying close to or on the ground. For the left hip, I do straighten the left leg but not until just before impact, I have often thought about trying to move my left hip even harder up and back earlier on the down swing, just kind of afraid to because I am of the mind with my current hand action (used to turning the club over quickly) that it would lead to a lot of hard snap hooks for a while.
 
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Brian Manzella

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The Hips.

Basically, everyone who can play a lick is more open hipped and shouldered at impact then they want to admit.

But, you can have too much too soon, and you can get out of sequence.

Here is how the hips SHOULD WORK:

When you "step on your right foot" to begin the backswing, you are in the process of the hip SHIFT to the right. In some patterns it is bigger than others.

The hips turn as they shift, and by half to three-quarters of the way back, they are as far to the right as they are going to get.

They then start to FALL to the left. Some folks do this earlier than others.

WHILE THEY ARE FALLING, some folks INCREASE the hip TURN, some retain the amount they had.

When you "Do It Right," the right heel comes OFF THE GROUND targetward, either before impact, or just after.

Trying to keep it flat is just a waste of time. If it is flat CORRECTLY, cool.

Then the hips TURN forward. AFTER they have moved left.

The right shoulder movement in all of this is very easy to do. But, remember, lots of folks feel the SHOULDER MOVE in the LEFT side.

Get the hips right first.
 
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Dariusz J. said:
I guess you leave too much weight on your right foot after transition just as there is no lateral CoG shift in your swing. Incorporating a "bump" lateral move before starting downswing may help you.

Cheers
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what is a lateral center of gravity shift?
 
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twitch127

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They then start to FALL to the left. Some folks do this earlier than others.

WHILE THEY ARE FALLING, some folks INCREASE the hip TURN, some retain the amount they had.
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Brian, If he is crossing the plane line and flight line during the impact interval would you say they his hip motion is "cross-line" instead of "parallel" to the plane line. Would he need to be aware of this whilst he is trying to move his COG left before he turns.

Interesting that you have focused on the hips rather than the right shoulder. It is pretty difficult to get your right shoulder down and out enough in the downswing if the hips aren't working fisrt and are in sequence. Just asking your thoughts!:)
 
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Marcus0418

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Question about the puppy dog drill, I wasnt able to find the youtube on it, I found a few posts with some references to keeping the right arm bent and below the left like a hoop that a puppy could jump through. Can I get some clarification?
 
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