High Ball flight

[Garth]

After working a great deal on things covered in the "flipper" vid, It's starting to click and I'm hitting the ball straighter than ever. One problem though, is that I'm also hitting the ball alot higher, with more spin, and have lost about 10yds per club. This was especially noticable yesterday playing in windy conditions. Any advice for a former flipper to get the ball back down and penetrating?

 

[tongzilla]

quote:Originally posted by Garth

After working a great deal on things covered in the "flipper" vid, It's starting to click and I'm hitting the ball straighter than ever. One problem though, is that I'm also hitting the ball alot higher, with more spin, and have lost about 10yds per club. This was especially noticable yesterday playing in windy conditions. Any advice for a former flipper to get the ball back down and penetrating?

I hate to break the bad news to you, but there's a 99% chance that you're still a Flipper. There are not a lot of other ways to hit the ball higher and lose 10 yards.

 

[Garth]

quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

quote:Originally posted by Garth

After working a great deal on things covered in the "flipper" vid, It's starting to click and I'm hitting the ball straighter than ever. One problem though, is that I'm also hitting the ball alot higher, with more spin, and have lost about 10yds per club. This was especially noticable yesterday playing in windy conditions. Any advice for a former flipper to get the ball back down and penetrating?

I hate to break the bad news to you, but there's a 99% chance that you're still a Flipper. There are not a lot of other ways to hit the ball higher and lose 10 yards.

I'm not ruling that out completely, believe me. It's just kinda weird that i always had a lower tragectory before conciously trying to not flip. Now I'm working on getting the left wrist flatter and all of a sudden the ball is going higher. I'm wondering if maybe I'm getting steeper as some sort of compensation.

 

[vandal]

Maybe you're not going down enough. Or, you're tilting too much.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Or maybe he isn't flipping anymore and has picked up a lot of speed through the ball and the shafts aren't stiff enough.

 

[Garth]

Thanks for the replies.

"not going down enough" - If i understand you correctly, this may be part of it.
"tilting too much" - doubtful, as i fight getting in front of the ball if anything.
"shafts aren't stiff enough" - eh... apex 4's, i don't think that's it either.

I worked it out a little bit today, and I'm thinking that it might be losing my right arm a bit. What i mean is that the right arm may be straightening a tad early, and then I'm just holding on. I'm working on keeping that gap between the arms on the way down and it seems to help me swivel more naturally and get a little closer to the "wedding ring up". My only fear of that is going back to hooking, but we'll see what happens on the course tomorrow. I'd still love to know how you can get a "Wedding ring up" and hit a fade. Doesn't make any sense to my brain at all, but I've lost a few brain cells along the way.

 

[Burner]

Garth,

Excuse the obvious, but don't confuse a lower, running trajectory, with a correctly struck shot.

Better the well hit carry you can rely on higher trajectory shot than the poorly struck low runners that you cannot rely on.

You might like to try getting your right shoulder on the downswing to the position that your left shoulder was at on the completion of your backswing.

 

[Garth]

quote:Originally posted by Burner

Garth,

Excuse the obvious, but don't confuse a lower, running trajectory, with a correctly struck shot.

Better the well hit carry you can rely on higher trajectory shot than the poorly struck low runners that you cannot rely on.

You might like to try getting your right shoulder on the downswing to the position that your left shoulder was at on the completion of your backswing.

I think that last bit ties into what I'm thinking as well.

As for the rest of your post; I know what you're saying, but let me share one shot in particular that comes to mind. I had 110yds into a par4 with a left to right wind. I decide on a cut and take an extra club because I've been short all day. Well, normally I'd hit my 50 degree so i went with my PW which is only 46. I barely held the front of the green and i normally hit that club 120 easy. That's just short, no question. Like i said though, I'm hittin 'em straight - in the air I actually said outloud "be right" because i thought i was all over it.

 

[01ragtop]

quote:Originally posted by Burner


You might like to try getting your right shoulder on the downswing to the position that your left shoulder was at on the completion of your backswing.

Burner,
Maybe I misunderstand, but if you are saying that the correct position of the right shoulder on the downswing is to be in the same position the left shouder was in at the end of the backswing I strongly disagree. The right shoulder should be lower and more inline with the TSP. At least if I understood Bian correctly in the video answer:

http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3198

My apologies if I misunderstood you.

 

[Burner]

quote:Originally posted by 01ragtop

quote:Originally posted by Burner


You might like to try getting your right shoulder on the downswing to the position that your left shoulder was at on the completion of your backswing.

Burner,
Maybe I misunderstand, but if you are saying that the correct position of the right shoulder on the downswing is to be in the same position the left shouder was in at the end of the backswing I strongly disagree. The right shoulder should be lower and more inline with the TSP. At least if I understood Bian correctly in the video answer:

http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3198

My apologies if I misunderstood you.

Perhaps I could have been more precise in my terminology.

quote:

The right shoulder should be lower and more inline with the TSP.

Correct: but I was advising trying to get the right shoulder into the position that the left shoulder was at as more of a swing key than anything else.

This thought/feeling alone has been a major factor in helping to cure my over the top move which, like everyone else's stems from roundhousing rather than driving the right shoulder down plane.

 

[Garth]

quote:Originally posted by Burner

quote:Originally posted by 01ragtop

quote:Originally posted by Burner


You might like to try getting your right shoulder on the downswing to the position that your left shoulder was at on the completion of your backswing.

Burner,
Maybe I misunderstand, but if you are saying that the correct position of the right shoulder on the downswing is to be in the same position the left shouder was in at the end of the backswing I strongly disagree. The right shoulder should be lower and more inline with the TSP. At least if I understood Bian correctly in the video answer:

http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3198

My apologies if I misunderstood you.

Perhaps I could have been more precise in my terminology.

quote:

The right shoulder should be lower and more inline with the TSP.

Correct: but I was advising trying to get the right shoulder into the position that the left shoulder was at as more of a swing key than anything else.

This thought/feeling alone has been a major factor in helping to cure my over the top move which, like everyone else's stems from roundhousing rather than driving the right shoulder down plane.

I think I know what you mean, and like i said I think this ties into what I'm working on. This would fall in with keeping the gap between the arms, or keeping the trailing arm closer to the body than the leading arm.

 

[01ragtop]

Thanks Burner,

I think I understood you, but being new to this site I didn't want to take that for granted. I know in my experience, trying to get into that position is harder than getting into the proper one, in fact I see where you are coming from, in that when I was told to get into that position I couldn't quite get there, but instead found myself in the more correct position.