Hinge actions, swivel and hitters

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GeoffDickson

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Golfers,

I have searched the archives for all and information on hinge actions, swivel and hitters.

Alot of this discussions seemed to occur before the 'true ball flight laws' became known.

Have the true flight laws changed what we know about hinge actions, swivel and hitters?
 
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Brian Manzella

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Solid Answers....

Hinge Action: There is NEXT TO ZERO clubface rotation DURING THE IMPACT INTERVAL.

There is also a 4-6 inch STRAIGHT-LINE, a dent in the hula-hoop so-to-speak, and the clubface rotation during THIS period is less than before an after it as well.

Also, low point can occur MANY PLACES besides under the left shoulder.

The so-called swivel is supposed to occur in "swingers" pre-release, and post follow-through.

Some folks full roll, some don't. Some bend the heck out of their left wrist post impact, some don't.

Hitting and Swinging are BOTH under powered.

Way under powered.
 
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Jared Willerson

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Real science has changed what we know about hinge actions, swivel and hitters.

Plenty of material in the archives that challenge the aforementioned "ideas". However, in a nutshell:

Hinge actions have no affect on the flight of the golf ball but the intent to do so well before the impact interval may have some effect

Swivel doesn't really matter

Pure hitting does not exist and you really don't want it to but "force across the shaft" at the right time in the downswing can add power to your swing.
 
cmartingolf

cmartingolf

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Yes.

If you don't mind spending a few bucks, buy Brian's videos and check out his YouTube stuff. I've watched it all and own it all. GREAT info and his older stuff will address some of your questions.

The swinger/hitter rubbish is simply that. Don't waste your time. I've been a TGM advocate,fan and studier for 20+ years and never bought into those concepts as it didn't sit well with my coconut.

I love the pressure point and power source stuff of TGM as well as the concept of "three imperatives." While the "straight plane line" has been blown up, the lag pressure point and FLW have heeded me and many well.

If you use consider "Hinge actions" as feel based and not literal, you can benefit from that too.

Cheers
 
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peterjthomps

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Brian Manzella said:
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Hitting and Swinging are BOTH under powered.

Way under powered.
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Assumuming the player is looking for consistancy, not power, is there merit to using patterns specific to swinging/hitting?

I for one feel i use my right side pushing more than a left side pull, and if i mix the two, results are not great. Most likely its becasue i dont do it right, but thats another topic. Ive watched NSA again recently and to me the 'holding the twistaway' feels to me like a right side pushing move.

p.s- im not a TGM expert, so if right side vs left side does not translate directly to swinger/hitter, forgive my ignorance.
 
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Brian Manzella

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peterjthomps said:
Assumuming the player is looking for consistancy, not power, is there merit to using patterns specific to swinging/hitting?
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Our latest research say that pure swinging will only produce about 60-65% power.

I might use something like "pure swinging" for a beginner, or on a 100+ shooter if all else failed.

"Hitting" would not be much better—at best.

But listen, if TRYING to do either helps you, go right ahead.
 
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Brian Manzella

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jerry1967 said:
If you use consider "Hinge actions" as feel based and not literal, you can benefit from that too.
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Absolutely....

But the KEY WORD is can...

I haven't given a lesson taking about even FEELING "hinge action" in a long, long time.

Once you know how to fix the path, the "need" for all of that goes buh-bye.
 
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SteveT

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WOW, Brian ...!!! Some of the things you are saying now is like deja vu all over again from my Horton days. I'm not gloating, I'm just pleased an established golf teacher like you has seen the light and converted yourself into a more rational science-based advocate. You will be challenged on your new beliefs, and it ain't gonna be a smooth trip either ... but you are already committed to the scientific method and you will continue to learn.

Years ago I wasn't as detailed as your new source of scientific golfswing knowledge because it wasn't available to me, or you. Trackman is based on D-plane algorithms, whereas the old launch monitors weren't, and that's a big difference. However after reading TGM, and in particular Chapter 2, it set off alarm bells and I knew something was wrong, really wrong. Now you know what happens when fundamentalist religious beliefs clash with simple science. Too bad I wasn't smart enough to appreciate Jorgensen's D-plane 10 years ago ..!!!

I'm back, but I wish mandrin was able to return. Any news about him?
 
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SteveT

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jerry1967 said:
Once you know how to fix the path, the "need" for all of that goes buh-bye.

how?
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Hinge action suggests applied forces, which is not possible nor efficient if attempted.

What you must learn is the freewheeling nature of whipsnapping through Impact. Once you launch, you're ballistic..!!!

I will leave the gory scientific details to Brian and his scientific backup team.
 
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SteveT

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Fellas, gals ... the only difference between 'hitters' and 'swingers' is all in their head ...!!

Hitters tend to 'feel' and concentrate on their rear (right) hand pushing in the downswing.

Swingers 'feel' their lead (left) hand pulling and forget their rear hand in the downswing.

Most golfers can't think about both hands in a sequencing of actions ... they only have a simplistic one track mind that only receives feedback from one hand at a time... no room for intelligent multi-tasking ...!!!

Science says "no-no" ... an efficient golfswing is a two-handed activity, and if you try to get too simplistic, you stay ignorant (aka stupid) and come up with silly definitions that sound 'right' for the equally ignorant masses ... and 50 million golfers can't be wrong ..???!!!

To truly know thyself, you must know science.
 
gmbtempe

gmbtempe

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Brian Manzella said:
Some folks full roll, some don't. Some bend the heck out of their left wrist post impact, some don't.
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For those that bend the heck out of their left wrist post impact despite a flat wrist at impact does it potentially cause loss in distance or is the ball gone and it does not matter?
 
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Steve Khatib

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With that system of hinge action swivels etc. when one aspect is found to be scientifically flawed, then the whole theory does not support itself. If you can time your left wrist bend you can play.
 
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