"Hit it with your Pivot" – I finally get it!!!

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I've been working on my game with the help of this forum and Brian's instruction for a good while now, but one thing that had continued to elude me is the relationship between the hands and the pivot in the downswing. That is, I obviously knew what 'hit it with your pivot' literally means, but I had never felt it in my own golf swing. To be specific, I was always a bit confused about the relationship between the role of the pivot, on the one hand, and the idea of a flat left wrist and a full roll, on the other.

Well, today I went to the range after not being able to hit balls for a while (weather is not so good in Wales these days). About a month ago (right after looking at the video of my swing I posted here) I changed my setup to be quite a bit further from the ball and more bent over from the waste. This change is something I'm still trying to adjust to, but when I get into this position properly it does a lot for me: 1) takes the pulls and pull-hooks out of play entirely 2) let's me really use my pivot to generate downplane force and hit through the ball. From this - much improved - position, my poor swings usually come when I flip or don't fully roll my wrists to square the clubface.

The problem was that 'wedding ring up' seems like a move to make with your hands, whereas 'hitting with your pivot' seems like a move to make that takes the hands out of the swing. What I finally felt and was able to execute today was truly lagging the sweetspot where I let my hands almost follow my pivot - keeping the left wrist flat and the right palm facing toward the ground, but without adding anything at all through the swing, that is, just starting the downswing thinking about moving hands TO that position, but letting the pivot hit the ball, not my hands or arms.

The results were outstanding: a dozen wedges all within 15 feet of the target green; two 4 irons in a row to within 5 feet of the further practice green; and a series of drivers that I truly 'mashed'.

I'm sharing this set of swing thoughts here just in case it helps someone else to think through (and perhaps feel in their own swing) the relationship between things like hinging and rolling and the pivot.
 
I still havent got it yet. What I think I`m doing is, i moving my left hip left to much instead of moving it at the ball.I cant get what does what. When I start my hip at the ball and then come down with my hands, when does my hip turn or does the swing automatically turn it. I think I`m to mechanical
 
I still havent got it yet. What I think I`m doing is, i moving my left hip left to much instead of moving it at the ball.I cant get what does what. When I start my hip at the ball and then come down with my hands, when does my hip turn or does the swing automatically turn it. I think I`m to mechanical

joe,

I think you'll find the hip action is a single motion (or a compound motion), not a "split" motion..

There is no way you can (actually) fire your left hip at the ball as a single motion..
As your left hip moves forward (towards the target) the right hip starts coming around.....it cannot do anything else..
The complete action tends to be a shift and a turn, but they are combined...initially there is more shift and then there is more turn...
Remember the old teaching of posting your left hip and then the right hip fires around the post...but it is not two distinct actions, they are combined...
The easiest way I (personally) have found to do this, is to try and raise the right heel while all the weight is on it at the top of the backswing....that gets all the right bits in the right places (for me)..
Brian and his instructors may have a different though for achieving this (no doubt...:))...
 
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I've been working on my game with the help of this forum and Brian's instruction for a good while now, but one thing that had continued to elude me is the relationship between the hands and the pivot in the downswing. That is, I obviously knew what 'hit it with your pivot' literally means, but I had never felt it in my own golf swing. To be specific, I was always a bit confused about the relationship between the role of the pivot, on the one hand, and the idea of a flat left wrist and a full roll, on the other.

Well, today I went to the range after not being able to hit balls for a while (weather is not so good in Wales these days). About a month ago (right after looking at the video of my swing I posted here) I changed my setup to be quite a bit further from the ball and more bent over from the waste. This change is something I'm still trying to adjust to, but when I get into this position properly it does a lot for me: 1) takes the pulls and pull-hooks out of play entirely 2) let's me really use my pivot to generate downplane force and hit through the ball. From this - much improved - position, my poor swings usually come when I flip or don't fully roll my wrists to square the clubface.

The problem was that 'wedding ring up' seems like a move to make with your hands, whereas 'hitting with your pivot' seems like a move to make that takes the hands out of the swing. What I finally felt and was able to execute today was truly lagging the sweetspot where I let my hands almost follow my pivot - keeping the left wrist flat and the right palm facing toward the ground, but without adding anything at all through the swing, that is, just starting the downswing thinking about moving hands TO that position, but letting the pivot hit the ball, not my hands or arms.

The results were outstanding: a dozen wedges all within 15 feet of the target green; two 4 irons in a row to within 5 feet of the further practice green; and a series of drivers that I truly 'mashed'.

I'm sharing this set of swing thoughts here just in case it helps someone else to think through (and perhaps feel in their own swing) the relationship between things like hinging and rolling and the pivot.

can you further explain what it feels like, i think the problem with this game is everyone gets into talking technical and about plane angles and all this stuff that people cant grasp instead of talking about feel and what it actually feels like when creating the golf swing. brians you tube video says it best when he says let the arms fall and pivot. does it feel like that as you pivot the arms are dropping down to the ball and there is no attempt what so ever to hit it with your arms??? like as you are shifting you weight into your left side the arms and club are falling right down letting gravity take it. maybe this is right , maybe not, THE MYSTERY OF GOLF. put your elbow in your pocket, hit it from the inside, swing it in a circle, make beleive you are a second baseman throwing it side arm, blah blah blah!!!!!!
 
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can you further explain what it feels like, i think the problem with this game is everyone gets into talking technical and about plane angles and all this stuff that people cant grasp instead of talking about feel and what it actually feels like when creating the golf swing. brians you tube video says it best when he says let the arms fall and pivot. does it feel like that as you pivot the arms are dropping down to the ball and there is no attempt what so ever to hit it with your arms??? like as you are shifting you weight into your left side the arms and club are falling right down letting gravity take it. maybe this is right , maybe not, THE MYSTERY OF GOLF. put your elbow in your pocket, hit it from the inside, swing it in a circle, make beleive you are a second baseman throwing it side arm, blah blah blah!!!!!!

"What it feels like."

Probably the MOST difficult thing that Brian (or any other instructor) faces on a day-to-day basis.

Figuring out "what it feels like" to swing the way a student does. Figuring out a proper way to describe "what it feels like" (or WILL feel like) to swing the way you want them too, based on what they are currently doing (and more importantly, what they are currently doing "feels like").

Unfortunately moreira, "what it feels like" for one person to swing the club correctly can be TOTALLY different than what it does for the next guy (and they can both hit it great!). This is why we go see people like Brian, or keep searching ;) .
 
Get a towel, roll it up, keep you hands passive and wallop the crap out of something in front of your forward foot!

It's pretty tough to wallop something with a towel if you are throwing your hands at it. You can cheat, so be careful.
 
Get a towel, roll it up, keep you hands passive and wallop the crap out of something in front of your forward foot!

It's pretty tough to wallop something with a towel if you are throwing your hands at it. You can cheat, so be careful.

I think that what cmartin refers to here is a great example for the overall 'hit it with your pivot' feel. Brian's bounce the ball drill will also help with this.

What I was trying to get at in my first post was how to square this with various concepts to do with the hands - hinge actions, etc. The feeling that I was trying to describe was one in which I did not HIT the ball with my hands at all, but I did, especially at the start of the downswing, feel like I was moving my hands TOWARD a position (flat wrist, sweetspot on PP#3, right palm starting to face more toward the ground), but that I was HOLDING that position through the 'hit' and the hit all came from the pivot itself. In the past, I had always thought of and felt hinge actions as something one did through the ball, but I don't think one really wants to be that 'handsy' in the swing.
 
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