Hitting Putts

[mclare]

I'm finally ready to change my putting stroke. Since I use a swinging action for full shots, I kept trying that with putting, I just can't seem to get any consistency.

I tried a hitting action with my putter and got a much better roll. While I understand the basic motion, what is the recommended setup to engage the right arm in a more piston motion. I keep getting me right shoulder lower with more axis tilt and not sure if that's correct. Also, does the right elbow move backwards and upwards as it bends on the back stroke?

Any help on getting setup proper and getting the putter started back is appreciated. Thanks,

 

[thefuture37]

This unique putting method makes long lags like tap-ins | Instruction | Golf.com

the pop piston stroke

 

[dashfan87]

what does brian have to say about the pop piston stroke?

 

[puttmad]

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This unique putting method makes long lags like tap-ins | Instruction | Golf.com

the pop piston stroke

Sorry future, but that is junk....talk about overcomplicating a basically simple action...

On top of that, what happens when you cock your wrist back (on any stroke)? Generally it leads to the blade opening, and if you then "stroke forward with everything fixed" as he recommends, then you will need to compensate to get the blade back to the correct angle for impact.....

And all that to hit lag putts?....

 

[mclare]

Sorry future, but that is junk....talk about overcomplicating a basically simple action...

On top of that, what happens when you cock your wrist back (on any stroke)? Generally it leads to the blade opening, and if you then "stroke forward with everything fixed" as he recommends, then you will need to compensate to get the blade back to the correct angle for impact.....

And all that to hit lag putts?....

Yes, but doesn't Loren Roberts create a slight right wrist bend during his stroke. I'd rather set at address and maintain with a putter, but it seems to work very well for the Boss of the Moss.

What I'm asking in this thread is (1) whether it's advisable to hit your putts in a piston type stroke while swinging for the rest of the shots and (2) how to setup and make a backstroke in a hitting motion. Thanks,

 

[thefuture37]

Sorry future, but that is junk....talk about overcomplicating a basically simple action...

On top of that, what happens when you cock your wrist back (on any stroke)? Generally it leads to the blade opening, and if you then "stroke forward with everything fixed" as he recommends, then you will need to compensate to get the blade back to the correct angle for impact.....

And all that to hit lag putts?....

what you describe is counterbalanced by the forward ball position and open stance. if you think thats complicated, dont go look at geoff mangums site

 

[pm4610]

Wait for Brian's putting video. I'm hoping it's available soon so I can work on my putting over the winter. Of course, there's always "The Sheriff" which is helpful.

 

[puttmad]

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Actually future, ball position and stance don't effectively make any difference....He is making the club open in comparison with the address position and then holding it open all the way through the forward stroke....there must be a compensation......plus which, hitting through with that amount of right hand wrist cock (added after address) leads to the putter being seriously delofted in the impact zone (pick up you putter and try it...)....

Mclare, Take a look at Jack's action (and his description of how he did it)...sounds like it may suit you a lot......

 

[thefuture37]

Actually future, ball position and stance don't effectively make any difference....He is making the club open in comparison with the address position and then holding it open all the way through the forward stroke....there must be a compensation......plus which, hitting through with that amount of right hand wrist cock (added after address) leads to the putter being seriously delofted in the impact zone (pick up you putter and try it...)....

the forward ball position means you have to have an upward strike, which adds enough loft back on. why are you so quick to think that anything that is different from what you do is automatically wrong or "junk". the thread starter wanted a method where he could use his back arm as a piston. that article tells you how. its not the only way to do it, but it isnt junk either.

 

[puttmad]

the forward ball position means you have to have an upward strike, which adds enough loft back on. why are you so quick to think that anything that is different from what you do is automatically wrong or "junk". the thread starter wanted a method where he could use his back arm as a piston. that article tells you how. its not the only way to do it, but it isnt junk either.

future,

You really ought to pick up your putter and try it before commenting...

It doesn't matter how far forward the ball is, the putter is well delofted until way forward of where the ball is if you keep that wrist cocked back. (It may well be an upward stroke, BUT the putter is delofted)....

If the thread starter wants a piston stroke, by all means have one, but without the wrist cocking....that is not neccessary and is detrimental to the final outcome....

 

[thefuture37]

future,

You really ought to pick up your putter and try it before commenting...

you really shouldn't make assumptions. it does work you just aren't doing it right. get off your high horse. you obviously like putting enough to put it in your username. keep an open mind.

 

[puttmad]

you really shouldn't make assumptions. it does work you just aren't doing it right. get off your high horse. you obviously like putting enough to put it in your username. keep an open mind.

future,

Oops, I just caught my foot in the stirrup......

Unfortunately I did it exactly to the letter....and it is exactly as I said it was...For your benefit I just went through it again...

1) If you anchor your right elbow to your right hip as recommended, the putter does not go straight back, but prescribes an arc
2) If you then cock your right wrist as recommended, the blade opens to the line of the putt and delofts considerably..
3) If you now do exactly as prescribed i.e. "your right elbow should straighten as it pushes the putter, but no other part of the individual assembly should move" which to me means you retain the full wristcock (deloft and open)
When you cock your wrist the putterhead goes way behind the hands....if you now just "push forward" with that full wristcock your hands will remain way in front of the putterhead and in that condition the blade is delofted (and open)

As I said earlier, they must be making a compensation to return the blade back to square and normal loft, which they haven't satisfactorarily explained.......and it's not ball position or setup....

Or can you explain it (in detail) a different way.....

Or someone else have a go, tell me what you find.....

 

[thefuture37]

For your benefit I just went through it again...

puttmad you are so kind, or condescending, one of those two. i did not write that article and i don't care to defend it anymore. i dont use that method usually, but i have and it works fine. the guy that wrote this thread wanted a piston stroke and i suggested that one. it wasnt meant to become a huge debate like everything else on this forum seems to be anymore.

 

[puttmad]

puttmad you are so kind, or condescending, one of those two. i did not write that article and i don't care to defend it anymore. i dont use that method usually, but i have and it works fine. the guy that wrote this thread wanted a piston stroke and i suggested that one. it wasnt meant to become a huge debate like everything else on this forum seems to be anymore.

I agree,
And yes I did it again just to doublecheck i had it right the first time....

Mclare,
I suggest if you want an "easier" piston stroke, do it without the excessive wrist cocking and you may find it helps (your feel) if you don't rock your shoulders, i.e. use the left arm as a radius and the right elbow simply bends on the backswing and straightens on the forward stroke...
It may help if you do a "dummy" practice backswing using your normal shoulder action, which will help you define the correct path of the backswing..
This will translate into an accurate backswing when you make the actual stroke without your shoulders......