rbaumgolf: I have not forgoten the tape but have been a bit lazy as it is in a big pile of tapes and is not marked with a sticker as it fell off. I will find it though and make a copy. The Leadbetter way is to set up with your feet pointing where you want the ball to start you point the club where you want the ball to end up THEN grip the club. The problem I have with this method is that the club feels out of balance and coupled with the fact that my natural shot is a draw I do not feel confident straight away. The results were very poor for me trying to hit a fade this way . So poor that I would be better off hitting a draw even if the shot demanded a fade. If you read the post on Bunker Play Brian describes his method of playing of playing them. This is where I asked him the question on how to play the fade. You take your NORMAL grip so straight away the club is in balance and you feel better. You then ROLL your arms right to open the face of the club ,then open your stance accordingly and swing along your stance hands leading the club. Brian says you play the draw the same kind of way by rolling the arms left. I found the results were instant and felt comfortable with it right away as the club feels in balance and does not feel too different to my normal swing I and can hit good shots with his method . With luck Brian will add to this and may talk about ball position as well. The funny thing about doing a fade Brian's way is that straight away I know I am going to hit a fade I can feel it. With my old method I hit all types of shots and never knew what was going to happen.