Hogan's faults

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curtisj76

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I see a lot of people saying that if there's a swing to study it's Hogans. Looking at him, we have basically the same build and I'm pretty athletic. Thinking about studying his swing but was wondering if he had any faults. Anything in his swing that I shouldn't be looking at? Thanks
 
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curtisj76 said:
I see a lot of people saying that if there's a swing to study it's Hogans. Looking at him, we have basically the same build and I'm pretty athletic. Thinking about studying his swing but was wondering if he had any faults. Anything in his swing that I shouldn't be looking at? Thanks
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Most people will say and a hogan admitted early on he had a problem with a hook. Eventually he weakened his grip but it wasnt as weak as most people describe it was weak for hogan as early on he had a very strong grip. But i think that obviously hogan had arguabbley the most reliable swing of all time a good balance of accuracy and distance.
 
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Hogan's "weak grip" he played with too avoid the hook is probably weaker than anybody's grip on tour. Maybe only Corey Pavin has as weak a grip as hogan did.
 
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jim_0068 said:
Hogan's "weak grip" he played with too avoid the hook is probably weaker than anybody's grip on tour. Maybe only Corey Pavin has as weak a grip as hogan did.
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It wasn't a "weak grip" which is a misnomer. It was a correct grip for this swing model as well as certain others.
 
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bantamben2

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jim_0068 said:
Hogan's "weak grip" he played with too avoid the hook is probably weaker than anybody's grip on tour. Maybe only Corey Pavin has as weak a grip as hogan did.
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hogans grip was basically nuetral his right hand was slightly weak though. If you want to see it watch the video on lynn blakes site the home movie. I have it on dvd and alot clearer than on his site and it is obvious that his left hand grip isnt that weak it is nuetral you can just see the back of his left hand how much angle there is in it. Or another good video i reccomend is the one where hogan and snead are in all white with the black backround with white graph behind them even the club is white. Great video to break down these players swings.
 
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bantamben2 said:
hogans grip was basically nuetral his right hand was slightly weak though. If you want to see it watch the video on lynn blakes site the home movie. I have it on dvd and alot clearer than on his site and it is obvious that his left hand grip isnt that weak it is nuetral you can just see the back of his left hand how much angle there is in it. Or another good video i reccomend is the one where hogan and snead are in all white with the black backround with white graph behind them even the club is white. Great video to break down these players swings.
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Agree. . . where can you get the video with Hogan on the "grid"? I didn't know you could get that. AWESOME!
 
birdie_man

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Hey guys how did Hogan hit his pitches and half wedges.......

Twistaway kind of backswing?

Or same swing with an Angled Hinge?

I need to buy some Hoigan videos.....Shell and POPerfection I think...
 
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David Alford said:
It wasn't a "weak grip" which is a misnomer. It was a correct grip for this swing model as well as certain others.
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That's like saying Freddie Couples grip isn't a "strong grip" because that grip fits his swing model.

True Hogan gripped it weaker so he could fully roll through impact without hooking it which is part of his "pattern" but that doesn't mean it isn't "weak."
 
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bantamben2 said:
hogans grip was basically nuetral his right hand was slightly weak though. If you want to see it watch the video on lynn blakes site the home movie. I have it on dvd and alot clearer than on his site and it is obvious that his left hand grip isnt that weak it is nuetral you can just see the back of his left hand how much angle there is in it. Or another good video i reccomend is the one where hogan and snead are in all white with the black backround with white graph behind them even the club is white. Great video to break down these players swings.
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Hogan's "neutral grip" is still much weaker than today's standard. Brian was able to hold Hogan's clubs at the Hogan factory and said that his left hand was as weak as his grip article on this site if not even a little more weak.

So like i said, his grip even through it is a "neutral" grip is still weaker than today's neutral grip.
 
golfbulldog

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"Fundamentals of Hogan" book by leadbetter

If you have this Leadbetter book he has some of the photos from which the beautiful line drawings were taken.

To my eye many of the photos showing Hogans address demonstrate a right hand grip that ( from face on view) does not look as weak a right hand grip as the line drawings ( in Modern Fundamentals original) of the grip on its own

UK edition has photos of interest as below:-

Page 10 ( chapter 1) = grip looks like rubber with cord - cord running in long strips along club - like grain in wood . Different to the more randomly arranged shorter visible stretches of cord i have in my GP full cord .

Page 16 looks like the photo for the line drawing of the grip in isolation. right hand looks weak as per tradition.

Pages 34 and 35 - there are 2 photos demonstrating address position but shows right hand grip in a more neutral position. It looks like the right hand is less "cranked over" (ie. more turned counter clockwise as Ben would have seen it) Hogans left hand . Looks more neutral

Will PM people with copies if interested.
 
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jim_0068 said:
That's like saying Freddie Couples grip isn't a "strong grip" because that grip fits his swing model.

True Hogan gripped it weaker so he could fully roll through impact without hooking it which is part of his "pattern" but that doesn't mean it isn't "weak."
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Well, if you subscribe to the common grip terminology, yes, you are correct.

However, like I said, it's a misnomer given the common dennotations and connotations of the word, "weak".

& unfortunately, this stops people from even having a chance of swinging like Hogan at the very first moment...before they have even assumed a stance.
 
tourdeep

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my grip used to be strong. now, it's essentially the Manzella grip. But weak is less than stong, or less strong, i suppose. defining it for the masses, well, geez...

What I felt was strong at one time is now considered stonger, cuz my weak grip now feels stong. Soon, my left forearm might face the sky.
 
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