I must admit I am a big fan of the simplisity of these two backswing's. Both whether intentional or not are short of parallel , both are very tight with the clubhead not bobbing around. There shoulder turn is less then 90*. Both swings put the club in the position to drive the lower body with the club lagging behind. I was working on these things today indoors. I felt like the arms were swinging back with no intentional shoulder turn , just in reponce to the arms , I was working on the right wrist folding back.I was trying not to move the head going back. At the top felt very tight or coiled, then I simply felt like driving the lower body with the clubhead and hands lagging behind . Very solid feeling, leaving the place where I practice indoors my buddy also has a backyard driving range and it was warm enough to hit a couple of balls, 3 -5 irons with a nice high hard draw, good stuff. If any CANADAINS have seen JAMES LEPP play I feel he is a great example of holeinone's swing, for those who don't know him he is our best player and has won on the CANADIAN TOUR, TIM