Homer on putting

[bcoak]

Got this off of the TGM site:
Putting stroke -- You must go to the both arms straight position, or at least straighten the right arm. If the right arm stays bent the putt will miss to the right, a push. Arm Action Only Putting gives Maximum Alignment Control. With a completely motionless Body use a Push Basic Stroke. Hinge Action control of Clubface Alignment is far more important than Clubhead Path and it must be monitored through the Hands - never directly. Never deviate from the MOTION of the Pattern so that Lag Pressure (for distance) can get full attention. Absolute Zero Wrist Motion is imperative!

Anyone putt like this?

 

[Matt Taylor]

I don't know anybody who putts like that.

I might fool around with it tonight.

I also remember reading somewhere in the book about the right shoulder staying absolutely still during the putting stroke. That's very hard to do.

 

[rwh]

quote:Originally posted by Matt Taylor

I don't know anybody who putts like that.

I might fool around with it tonight.

I also remember reading somewhere in the book about the right shoulder staying absolutely still during the putting stroke. That's very hard to do.

Sounds a lot like Jack Nicklaus when he was #1.

 

[matt]

quote:Originally posted by rwh

quote:Originally posted by Matt Taylor

I don't know anybody who putts like that.

I might fool around with it tonight.

I also remember reading somewhere in the book about the right shoulder staying absolutely still during the putting stroke. That's very hard to do.

Sounds a lot like Jack Nicklaus when he was #1.

Sure does. And a lot like that golfingrandy character!

Clubhead alignment is absolutely more important than path when putting. The ball will separate from the face and go the direction the leading edge is pointing. If the face is aimed at your target at separation, the ball will go there. Pick a Hinge Action and make sure you're applying it - that's most important.

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by rwh

quote:Originally posted by Matt Taylor
I don't know anybody who putts like that.

I might fool around with it tonight.

I also remember reading somewhere in the book about the right shoulder staying absolutely still during the putting stroke. That's very hard to do.

Sounds a lot like Jack Nicklaus when he was #1.

This Putting Stroke is simplicity defined. Think of your Right Forearm as a piston: You set it On Plane, and then you pull it back and push it through. Everything else stays still. If you point your Right Forearm at the Plane Line, you get automatic Angled Hinging. If you set it parallel to the Plane Line, you get automatic Vertical Hinging.

Regarding Jack's Stroke, he was -- and is -- an 'Arm and Shoulder' Putter. His success noted, it is preferable to be either an Arm Putter or a Shoulder Putter, but not a combination. That is because the 'Arm and Shoulder' Putter has developed a technique whereby a partial Right Arm extension is being compensated by a mini-spinout of the Right Shoulder Turn. In other words, the Right Shoulder is used to Close the Clubface left Open by the less-than-fully extended Right Arm.

Unfortunately, problems arise when the 'Arm and Shoulder' Putter attempts to make the conversion to either 'all Shoulders' or 'all Arms.' Here's why:

Arm Putters fully extend the Right Arm on each Stroke, and as a result, the 'door' (of the Left Arm Flying Wedge) Closes completely. Failure to do so results in a 'door' that remains Open and hence a Push. Shoulder Putters freeze the Arms (either Bent or Straight) and move their Shoulders parallel to the selected Delivery Line (either the Plane Line or the Angle of Approach). Failure to do so typically will result in a Pull.

So, for the player attempting to become an 'Arms only' Putter, when you take away the Closing Clubface of the Shoulder Turn, he is left with the partially-extended Right Arm Push. On the other hand, for the player attempting to become a 'Shoulders only' Putter, when you take away the Clubface left Open by the still-Bent Right Arm, he is left with a Shoulder Turn Pull.

What to do?

If you're satisfied with your Putting, do nothing. If you're not, then reread paragraph one and get to work!

 

[Mathew]

What an excellent post Yoda !

In the push basic stroke (and other other strokes) does the amount of impact fix trail wrist bend remain constant ?

 

[Doug]

Holenone

Great post

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by Mathew

What an excellent post Yoda !

In the push basic stroke (and other other strokes) does the amount of impact fix trail wrist bend remain constant ?

quote:Originally posted by Mathew

What an excellent post Yoda !

In the push basic stroke (and other other strokes) does the amount of impact fix trail wrist bend remain constant ?

Yes, the Right Wrist Bend remains constant. Unlike your signature's Featured Pairing -- Kerry/Edwards -- there is no 'flip-flop.'

Sorry...couldn't resist!

 

[swingeasttowest]

No flip flop with the gal from the Waffle House either!!!!!!! LOL

 

[bcoak]

Watched a little of Stan Utley last night on TGC and one interesting thing he stated was that he wants to hit down on the ball and almost compress it (sounds familiar). To make sure he doesn't drive the ball into the ground and hurt the roll, his putter has 5.5* of loft.

 

[Doug]

quote:Originally posted by bcoak

Watched a little of Stan Utley last night on TGC and one interesting thing he stated was that he wants to hit down on the ball and almost compress it (sounds familiar). To make sure he doesn't drive the ball into the ground and hurt the roll, his putter has 5.5* of loft.

He also mentioned his working with Steve Elkington.

He went on to say that Elk was TGM certified and told him that his putting method was a hitting procedure.

Utley then talked about his short follow through.
Reason is his stroke is finished at right arm straight , which is just shortly past impact.

 

[Matt Taylor]

Holenone -

After reading your post I grabbed the putter that sits in my office to try making a very simple putting stroke with my on plane right forearm acting as a piston.

It felt very odd. I think I may need some more details.

How does the piston prepare itself to be fired? The only way I seem to be able to make an arm stroke only backswing is by increasing the bend in my right elbow -- basically moving my elbow away from the ball. Then, to fire the piston, it feels like I push down with my right triceps.

Is this the way to putt arm only? It seems as though the putter head comes up off the ground much faster and higher on the backswing and puts a pronounced descending blow on the ball.

It's very much different than what I usually do and feels strange. It doesn't feel like I'm doing it correctly. I don't know what you can tell from my brief description above, but does it sound like I'm at least close to being on the right track?

I'd like to experiment with this to see how it works but I want to make sure I'm doing it correctly to give it a fair shake.

 

[Powerdraw]

quote:Originally posted by Matt Taylor

Holenone -

After reading your post I grabbed the putter that sits in my office to try making a very simple putting stroke with my on plane right forearm acting as a piston.

It felt very odd. I think I may need some more details.

How does the piston prepare itself to be fired? The only way I seem to be able to make an arm stroke only backswing is by increasing the bend in my right elbow -- basically moving my elbow away from the ball. Then, to fire the piston, it feels like I push down with my right triceps.

Is this the way to putt arm only? It seems as though the putter head comes up off the ground much faster and higher on the backswing and puts a pronounced descending blow on the ball.

It's very much different than what I usually do and feels strange. It doesn't feel like I'm doing it correctly. I don't know what you can tell from my brief description above, but does it sound like I'm at least close to being on the right track?

I'd like to experiment with this to see how it works but I want to make sure I'm doing it correctly to give it a fair shake.

getting warmer and warmer lol!

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by Matt Taylor

Holenone -

After reading your post I grabbed the putter that sits in my office to try making a very simple putting stroke with my on plane right forearm acting as a piston.

It felt very odd. I think I may need some more details.

How does the piston prepare itself to be fired? The only way I seem to be able to make an arm stroke only backswing is by increasing the bend in my right elbow -- basically moving my elbow away from the ball. Then, to fire the piston, it feels like I push down with my right triceps.

Is this the way to putt arm only? It seems as though the putter head comes up off the ground much faster and higher on the backswing and puts a pronounced descending blow on the ball.

It's very much different than what I usually do and feels strange.

[Bold by Holenone/Yoda.]

Matt,

"Kee-rect!"

-- Homer Kelley


[:X]

-- Yoda

 

[Powerdraw]

quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by Matt Taylor

Holenone -

After reading your post I grabbed the putter that sits in my office to try making a very simple putting stroke with my on plane right forearm acting as a piston.

It felt very odd. I think I may need some more details.

How does the piston prepare itself to be fired? The only way I seem to be able to make an arm stroke only backswing is by increasing the bend in my right elbow -- basically moving my elbow away from the ball. Then, to fire the piston, it feels like I push down with my right triceps.

Is this the way to putt arm only? It seems as though the putter head comes up off the ground much faster and higher on the backswing and puts a pronounced descending blow on the ball.

It's very much different than what I usually do and feels strange.

[Bold by Holenone/Yoda.]

Matt,

"Kee-rect!"

-- Homer Kelley


[:X]

-- Yoda

love that quote...keerect! and dont let your partner sway you from doin it...it looks and feels odd for sure but you da piston pusher now![}]

 

[rwh]

quote:Originally posted by Matt Taylor

Holenone -

After reading your post I grabbed the putter that sits in my office to try making a very simple putting stroke with my on plane right forearm acting as a piston.

It felt very odd. I think I may need some more details.

How does the piston prepare itself to be fired? The only way I seem to be able to make an arm stroke only backswing is by increasing the bend in my right elbow -- basically moving my elbow away from the ball. Then, to fire the piston, it feels like I push down with my right triceps.

Is this the way to putt arm only? It seems as though the putter head comes up off the ground much faster and higher on the backswing and puts a pronounced descending blow on the ball.

It's very much different than what I usually do and feels strange. It doesn't feel like I'm doing it correctly. I don't know what you can tell from my brief description above, but does it sound like I'm at least close to being on the right track?

I'd like to experiment with this to see how it works but I want to make sure I'm doing it correctly to give it a fair shake.

I love this stroke. I have to watch out for that old snare of "steering" and must remind myself that this is still a golf stroke, which requires a backswing and downstroke -- a down, out and forward downstroke.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I use this type of putting stroke for chipping a lot of the times but i don't find it comfortable for putting, but that is just me

 

[mclare]

I'm have a clear picture of the forward stroke (or should I say downstroke), but am still struggling with how to make the correct backstroke. Can anyone shed light of this?
Thanks,

 

[Tom Bartlett]

Increase the bend in your right elbow (assuming you are putting right handed) on the same plane as the putter shaft. Your right hand should try to go back towards your right elbow.

 

[mclare]

Thanks Tom, that's an excellent visual. Depending on putter length and posture, the stroke really changes shape doesn't it (up and down or level)?