Homerson: "Mind in your shoulders" comment
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birdie_man
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It was cool to read that....
I've been experimenting with exactly that....(very recently....haven't tried it much tho yet)...
Have also wondered about "mind in the elbow"...lol....
Neat that someone else mentioned this....I gotta give it a good look now. I'll experiment with anything lol...
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Mind in the scrotum....
I've been experimenting with exactly that....(very recently....haven't tried it much tho yet)...
Have also wondered about "mind in the elbow"...lol....
Neat that someone else mentioned this....I gotta give it a good look now. I'll experiment with anything lol...
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Mind in the scrotum....
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Damon Lucas
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There are two ways to move the shoulders!
One from below, using the hands, or elbows, or even the upper arms. Most people putt using some or all of those muscles, voluntarily or otherwise. I think that a lot of problems people have with their stroke mechanics evolve from conflicts between various muscle groups..ie People trying to putt SBST with a tilted shoulder motion and a reverse rotation of their forearms or upper arms.
The other way is to move the shoulders with the muscles in the back and gut(mainly the obliques). So the mind is in the shoulders being MOVED. After a while, one doesn't think of them - it becomes your habit hopefully. Initially it is difficult, especially for handsy people, and especially with shorter putts, after all, how many things do we use our hands for? Gradually, you learn to love that feeling of setting up, aiming, and then allowing instincts to take over.
One from below, using the hands, or elbows, or even the upper arms. Most people putt using some or all of those muscles, voluntarily or otherwise. I think that a lot of problems people have with their stroke mechanics evolve from conflicts between various muscle groups..ie People trying to putt SBST with a tilted shoulder motion and a reverse rotation of their forearms or upper arms.
The other way is to move the shoulders with the muscles in the back and gut(mainly the obliques). So the mind is in the shoulders being MOVED. After a while, one doesn't think of them - it becomes your habit hopefully. Initially it is difficult, especially for handsy people, and especially with shorter putts, after all, how many things do we use our hands for? Gradually, you learn to love that feeling of setting up, aiming, and then allowing instincts to take over.
birdie_man
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Great post....(and great first post as a "MGAI"...)...
It all makes sense to me...
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You said:
So what about people with the neck parallel with the ground (like the setup on Geoff's site) and who try for an arc stroke?
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BTW as an aside I've had lots of success with a r. forearm driven putting stroke....pretty much immediate success.
(I don't use this for any other shot....only putting)
It all makes sense to me...
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You said:
So what about people with the neck parallel with the ground (like the setup on Geoff's site) and who try for an arc stroke?
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BTW as an aside I've had lots of success with a r. forearm driven putting stroke....pretty much immediate success.
(I don't use this for any other shot....only putting)
Bill Miracle
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Does this apply to putting only or....
Does this apply to all swings. In other words, should the focus be on the back muscles in the normal takeaway?
Does this apply to all swings. In other words, should the focus be on the back muscles in the normal takeaway?
Damon Lucas
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Shoulder turn takeaway!!
I think that they are indeed the same muscles that initiate the takeaway for a shoulder turn takeaway.
For me, that's how I like to take the club away, with an awareness of my right forearm and it's path
I am interested in Brian's opinion as to whether this is a real world reason why he doesn't like the RFT in all cases-that the RFT doesn't always get the body turning!
Damon
I think that they are indeed the same muscles that initiate the takeaway for a shoulder turn takeaway.
For me, that's how I like to take the club away, with an awareness of my right forearm and it's path
I am interested in Brian's opinion as to whether this is a real world reason why he doesn't like the RFT in all cases-that the RFT doesn't always get the body turning!
Damon
Damon Lucas
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Depends on what you move. With neck parallel, and shoulders moving around the upper spine, if you are arcing, then there is independent movement of something below the shoulders.
SO, if that is the case, what becomes critical is ball position, and a very stable center.
BTW, my preference for the arc believers is more of a tilted shoulder plane stroke, which looks like an arc, when viewed from DTL.
Cheers,
Damon
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