Hooks and draws.

[hp12c]

Hello all,

I'm new around these parts and I would like to know if an over the top swing can produce hooks and draws.

Art

 

[Frizit]

In theory you can hook it swinging out to in but I would say it is not the norm. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the majority of time people swing outside to in because they are trying to start their slice far enough left to be playable. Most hookers swing just the opposite with too far to the right or inside out.

If you are having trouble with the hooks I would recommend posting up some video of your swing and some of the more knowledgeable posters will get you started on the right track.

 

[noobie]

I believe it can definitely cause a pull hook or a pull draw. I would think that it can produce a push draw or push hook if you aimed far enough right (i.e., the ball is place far enough back in your stance so that you're making contact in to out).

 

[cwdlaw223]

It's all about the relationship of the face angle to the "club path" or "true path" at impact. If the face angle is closed to the path the ball will go left. You need a Trackman to get exact readings. I believe that most people hook the ball because of a severe in to out path (ex. >5*) as opposed to an over the top move. To hook the ball with an over the top move would really smother the ball left of left and the face would be severely closed.

You should google the definitions of pull fade, push draw, draw, pull draw, etc.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

please define your draw/hook. Where does the ball start? At your intended target, left of your intended target, or right of your intended target?

Thanks

 

[gmbtempe]

Hello all,

I'm new around these parts and I would like to know if an over the top swing can produce hooks and draws.

Art

tricky question

over the top of what?

In the traditional sense meaning you are swing over the top of a swing plane aligned on the ball target line then I would say you could pull hook it if you had the face very closed.

 

[JKGolf]

Seems like it would be fairly easy especially if you're hitting down on it a significant amount.

 

[hp12c]

I usually play a ball that starts right of target and then goes left to the target and I sometimes hit a ball that goes left of target and continues left, even though I'm trying to go right of target and make it go left to the target. When that happens my playing partner will say over the top. Does this make sense?

Art

 

[hp12c]

please define your draw/hook. Where does the ball start? At your intended target, left of your intended target, or right of your intended target?

Thanks

I usually play a ball that starts right of target and then goes left to the target and I sometimes hit a ball that goes left of target and continues left, even though I'm trying to go right of target and make it go left to the target. When that happens my playing partner will say over the top. Does this make sense?

Art

 

[hp12c]

In theory you can hook it swinging out to in but I would say it is not the norm. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the majority of time people swing outside to in because they are trying to start their slice far enough left to be playable. Most hookers swing just the opposite with too far to the right or inside out.

If you are having trouble with the hooks I would recommend posting up some video of your swing and some of the more knowledgeable posters will get you started on the right track.

Hi Frizit,

I swing what I beleive in to out, to get the ball started right of target and then the ball wil go left ot the inted target, but sometimes the ball will start left of target and continue more left and thats when I hear over the top. from my playing partners.

Art

 

[hp12c]

tricky question

over the top of what?

In the traditional sense meaning you are swing over the top of a swing plane aligned on the ball target line then I would say you could pull hook it if you had the face very closed.

Hi gmbtempe,

I was told by me playing partners that over the top means, I rotate my torso left which also makes my arms and hands go away from my body and cut across the ball at impact.

Art

Hi

 

[hp12c]

I believe it can definitely cause a pull hook or a pull draw. I would think that it can produce a push draw or push hook if you aimed far enough right (i.e., the ball is place far enough back in your stance so that you're making contact in to out).

Hi noobie,

I think thats what Im doing but, pull hook, pull draw. I do aim right of target to draw the ball to the target.

Art

 

[hp12c]

It's all about the relationship of the face angle to the "club path" or "true path" at impact. If the face angle is closed to the path the ball will go left. You need a Trackman to get exact readings. I believe that most people hook the ball because of a severe in to out path (ex. >5*) as opposed to an over the top move. To hook the ball with an over the top move would really smother the ball left of left and the face would be severely closed.

You should google the definitions of pull fade, push draw, draw, pull draw, etc.

Hey cwlaw223,

I was looking on the internet for a trackman facility near me but I didnt find one.

Art

 

[dbl]

You're buddies probably aren't being accurate. Use any camera phone and film some shot of yours, and you can see whatever it is about the lefts to lefts.

You need to make sure you understand what starting right and curving left means. The face is pointed basically at the initial direction of the ball flight, and the clubhead path (at impact) is going right of where the face is looking. The ball then curves away from the rightward clubhead path.

For the lefts to lefts, the face is looking left (and so the ball starts leftward)and your path is again to the right of the face. You may be coming over the top, or just done some massive pull with your (who knows- hips, shoulders...some tug) and gotten everything oriented at impact more leftward than you wanted.

 

[hp12c]

You're buddies probably aren't being accurate. Use any camera phone and film some shot of yours, and you can see whatever it is about the lefts to lefts.

You need to make sure you understand what starting right and curving left means. The face is pointed basically at the initial direction of the ball flight, and the clubhead path (at impact) is going right of where the face is looking. The ball then curves away from the rightward clubhead path.

For the lefts to lefts, the face is looking left (and so the ball starts leftward)and your path is again to the right of the face. You may be coming over the top, or just done some massive pull with your (who knows- hips, shoulders...some tug) and gotten everything oriented at impact more leftward than you wanted.

Hey dbl,

Thanks for the reply. Im going to the range and take some video to post and see what you guys think. hopfeully I will get somw left to left shots.

Art

 

[dbl]

Fine. I was just suggesting filming with whatever you have, and taking a look personally. If it's ott or a massive thrust of everything leftward (bending the plane line, I think it's called), then it should be obvious.

The big thing will be since the left to lefts are occasional is to find out what you did earlier in the stroke that led your body down that path instead of a starting-right draw.

 

[hp12c]

Fine. I was just suggesting filming with whatever you have, and taking a look personally. If it's ott or a massive thrust of everything leftward (bending the plane line, I think it's called), then it should be obvious.

The big thing will be since the left to lefts are occasional is to find out what you did earlier in the stroke that led your body down that path instead of a starting-right draw.

Thanks dbl,
I dont have a camera phone, yeah I know Im behind the times on technology, but I do have a digital camera. Nothing fancy, but it should work .
Thanks again dbl.

Art

 

[gmbtempe]

Hi gmbtempe,

I was told by me playing partners that over the top means, I rotate my torso left which also makes my arms and hands go away from my body and cut across the ball at impact.

Art

Hi

Same thing my friends told me for years and my hook just kept growing.

Go out the range and try to hit nothing but high slices...........ball will probably go straight and never cut for you.